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His imagination I think.

Read my posts. The rules come from actual rules the hosts see and actual agreements the hosts enter into when the host selects her category. There are also FAQ's that the hosts see and of course, the public description of categories that everyone can see. Plus, there is common sense and the ability to use logic.

Any long time member with host friends that he has discussed this with or with his own host account knows that I am correct. Further, most of us have run into the hard core host that won't strip or will say "only 121" and dealt with CC regarding these issues as well.

My correspondance with them confirms everything that I have said, but when dealing with CC, knowing the rules and policies of the site is important because it affects how one should phrase his email when complaining about a particular host. As I indicated before, not everyone on the staff is as knowledgeable as some of the long time members in terms of the in and outs of all of CC's rules and policies.

Some good hosts here might be surprised what members deal with. I've had an instant action host refuse to get naked, for example. When I said she is supposed to be naked, she typed "I am." Boom! Print Screen and "Dear CC..."

Another time, a not so shy host told me she was new and didn't want to get naked and would only get topless. (Hardly, full and explicit nudity.) I knew that she had just agree to get naked the moment she selected her profile, lol, and pointed this out to her. She also stalled a lot so I gave up and left. I thought that I had seen her before and had a problem with her in the past, but wasn't sure. Anyway, I wrote CC and forgot about it. About 10 minutes later, I was looking for a new host to visit and saw the same host in little shy with a different account that was several months old based on the pics in her archives. Remember, this host, when I saw her in not so shy was new. Then it all came back to me that she was in fact a lying b*tch and staller and that was why I never visited her again.

Members deal with this type of garbage all of the time. If a host doesn't want to strip except what she wants, fine... go to glamour or little shy and the problem is over!!! That's all a host has to do!!! WTF is so difficult? But when you go to a hard core category and agree to get naked, don't give members a difficult time or play the stupid "only 121" game. Save that stuff for glamour and little shy, and I have no problem with that as long as you don't lie about stripping or stall once I get to 121.

It isn't that difficult. If a host wants to be in control of all, then she should go glamour or little shy and she can make her own rules. She just can't lie or stall. If she is willing to be subject to a member's desires in terms of when she will strip, then she can go to not so shy and instant action, again, the only difference being how fast she must get naked once the member asks.

The host gets to pick her category! Nobody forces her to choose! (well, maybe her studio boss does, but that's between her and the boss, not her and the member.) She gets to make her decision based on how much control she wants to have over her right not to strip and how much money she think she can make. It is her choice. But once she enters the hard core arena and make her profile, she has specifically agreed to get naked. There is absolutely no question about this. If you don't believe me, go make your own host account and select not so shy or instant action and watch what happens!!!

I still not found where is the written "Must" or Must not"!!

You can find it when you signing in not so shy, by signing into this category you commit to explicit nudity,

I dunno what the "rules" are, but in my world a girl has the choice to do what ever she dawn well likes and with who ever she wants too.
It's her body, it's her choice.
If you get lucky, then great.... :)
If not then you just say: OK...., thanks, and bye bye.
You move on to the next.

Just because it's a forum / internet site / camshow effort doesn't mean you should expect anything more from a host than you would a girl you met in a bar / shop / supermarket etc in real life...
Generally if you're rude and abrupt they don't respond to well, what makes it any different because you have a computer to hide behind?

If you don't get lucky with someone then hey, what's a couple of dollars lost mean in the greater scheme of life.....?? lol

Other than nudity, I agree with you. I am usually here to see nudity, so if a woman has agreed to it, I think it only appropriate to deliver if I ask. And almost every Adult host here has stripped at one time or another so the real issue is more of price and if they like you as opposed to self-respect and someone saying "I would never do such a thing" so when a host has agreed to strip, I don't feel bad about asking her to do it.

As for things beyond nudity, even though there is language in the cc rules that only hosts see that indicates hosts are agreeing to more than just get naked in certain categories, I have never complained about any host's failure to do these other things. I am comfortable asking her to strip once she has agreed to strip. It is a porn site for the most part, after all. But insisting that she does something with her body, even if she agreed to do it under the rules, is way too distasteful for me. If she doesn't want to play or use toys, even if she has agreed to do it, I would never press her to do so or complain to CC about it.

Well said,
The question is though.... has she actually said to YOU that she will do it.
Just because someone suggests something, or it is implied, it does not mean that someone is obliged to do something.

she has specifically agreed to nudity when she selects not so shy or instant action as her category... it comes right up in a very, very obvious way, right when she picsks the category. It is right there.

did she say it to me? no.... but she agreed to it with cc so that's good enough as far as i'm concerned. And, at least instant action hosts have agreed to do even more, but like I said, I wouldn't force it on them. (the language in not so shy suggests that they should do more than just nudity, but my recollection is that it wasn't an actual clear mandate... i would need to go check.)

I still don't find, where I have to do, where I not. there comes always exception and bad. I thought, cc is very correct and there is just criteria, break or not the rule. I mean, if once-used stuff, cant be give it back, is that a store to give it back the stuffs like in Schlecker or E-plus? never thought about it, because normally I never change my mind if I buy something to get the cash back ;)

My big huge motto.

when u sign in to not so shy, you can see this?
NOT SO SHY:
By signing into this category the Chathost, if asked, commits to:
•Explicit nudity.
To include:
◦Close-ups
◦Open Legs
•Masturbation by fingers

What part you dont understand?

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Sorry but you're wrong. This is a pay adult site. The"girls" make an agreement to follow the "TOC" Terms and conditions of CC and follow site and category rules if they expect to get paid. If they violate rules they can have account suspended or closed.

You look under "viewer Services" and find link to "what you can expect in various Categories".

The question in viewer forum was about expecting nudity in "Not So Shy". Unfortunately CC isn't 100% clear. People think there is optout as you say "girl's choice", but it's not true as members have asked for and have gotten refunds because host didn't strip in "Not So Shy".

Clearly CC says:
"Although full and explicit nudity is expected, we still recommend checking the Chathost's profile to see what you can expect from her show"

Which I believe to mean host needs to strip not just topless. No doubt. But anything eles is up to host. Meaning "show" can mean strip show only. She doesn't have to "play" , use toys etc.. All those things need to be verified with host. As I see it host can just choose to chat nude, but she probably wouldn't make much money and also get poor rating.

Ahhhh, you see... it is in-fact you who appears to be in the wrong.

[You wrote]
"Clearly CC says:
"Although full and explicit nudity is expected, we still recommend checking the Chathost's profile to see what you can expect from her show"

[Then you went on to write]
"Which I believe to mean host needs to strip not just topless"

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Perhaps you would like someone to define for you the word "Expected"???
At no point in that sentence is it a pure 120% fact that is stating a host is obliged to remove their clothing in anyway at all.

In-fact only in "Girls Home Alone - Instant Action" and "Groups(3 Or More)" does it say: "This is an adult category, and nudity is not only allowed, it is a given!"

And here is the only section that clearly suggests it is a "Given".
When did given become guaranteed??

Although i have mealy glanced over it, at no point can i clearly see in the hosts 'terms and conditions' that they MUST do something, only that they are not permitted to falsely represent.

They could potentially fall foul to the terms and conditions if they had agreed to perform specifically for a member, and exactly what was included into that performance, was agreed by both parties in advance.
Otherwise i cannot see where it clearly states a host must do anything at all.

In-fact the only thing i can see are the 101 things a host must not do...

Asking a refund or giving a host a bad rating though because of a members lack of "interpretation" or the inability to specifically outline with a host what they can and will be expecting to see in a paid video room is just childish... :p

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I agree xDa, I'm no lawyer, but there are clearly no guarantees of nudity anywhere in the category descriptions. I go to several sites and most of the newer ones do not impose strict rules on the hosts. And they state in their FAQ to use free chat to ask the host what she will and will not do in pvt.

On the subject of lying, if it is clear cut it is easy to determine. But there are many veteran and very savvy hosts that can mislead in such a way a top notch lawyer would have a difficult time in court proving she lied. And in my opinion the average host is much smarter than the average viewer not only here but on all cam sites.

One thing please cc stated that I agree with, is that there may be a language issue and the host could have been misinformed by the studio that recruited her to work here. But lying and deception are common place when it comes to the studios and their girls.

getting headache, this is not research which I have to invent or study for. I'm not Einstein or Thomas Edison, who studies something for it. Well, feel like just hard worker like the 700 $ factory work like Eminem did in that factory to earn just at least living $ in their life.

It's a adult HARDCORE category for phuck sakes!

If you actually took the trouble to ask CC they would tell you that by "full and explicit nudity is expected" in not shy they mean that a host is obliged to get naked. WHat she is not obliged to do is show close ups of her pussy, masturbate, use toys ... etc. These are the things members are advised to check for in the profiles.

NOT SO SHY:
By signing into this category the Chathost, if asked, commits to:
•EXPLICIT nudity.
To include:
◦Close-ups
◦Open Legs
•Masturbation by fingers.
If a viewer wants toys, or other specific action they must ask the Chathost first to ensure the Chathost is both willing and able to accommodate the request.

INSTANT ACTION:
This category is designed for viewers who want instant action. They don't want to hang around and make small talk. Therefore ONLY those Chathosts who feel comfortable and prepared to give an instant sex show should advertise in this category. The Chathost must be prepared to show full nudity as soon as requested. Also if they advertise certain things in their show, they must be prepared to do them straight away, without delays.

By signing into this category Chathosts commit to:
•Not sharing details such as age, name, country etc. unless initiated by the Viewer.
•No delaying tactics whatsoever. Chathosts MUST be prepared to immediately start their show as soon as a viewer enters.
•Also getting naked must not take a long time. This is not the category for a slow strip tease show.
•Be prepared to provide an explicit sex show. Not only is the Chathost expected to get naked, but also provide additional explicit content such as open leg shots, and finger or dildo penetration, if requested

So there you have it. Not so shy must get naked and masterbate. Instant action must get fully naked and penetrate. The only vague thing is that Not So Shy hosts must show legs spread while naked but there is no indication that they must get topless. I think it's pretty safe to infer that they must, especially in light of everything else that has been discussed and simple common sense, lol. And I guess a strict reading of English doesn't make it 100% clear that an instant action host must penetrate, but I think it is clear enough that she must.

I'll try and find the email I got from cc stating toys are NOT required even in IA.

Toys might not be required, but it looks like she must at least insert her fingers in Instant Action as opposed to being on the outside as seems to be required by not so shy. Anyway, I never worry about that. As I stated elsewhere, I would never try to force a woman to use a toy, penetrate, or masterbate if she didn't want to. The thought of sending an email to CC complaining that under the rules, she had agreed to do such a thing turns my stomach. Now, if she had promised me that she would do it, say for example, a little shy host telling me to go 121 and she will do those type of things, that would be different. But some agreement between her and CC where I am simply a third party beneficiary isn't enough for me to press the issue. I always feel like a perv when complaining about no nudity so I certainly don't want to complain about a lack of masterbation, lol, although I wouldn't think it would be wrong for another member to send such an email given that the host had basically signed a contract agreeing to do such things.

My only issue, and the issue that started all of this, is whether a not so shy must get completely naked, and I think it is pretty clear that she must. People can argue about it all they want and try to disect every little word, period, and comma that appears anywhere on the site, but it is clear to me, it is clear to CC, and I think it is clear to everyone else with common sense that what I and some others have said in terms of nudity being required in not so shy is true. And obviously it is required in instant action as well.

Well I would agree that most of us men/perverts/wankers/dirty old men come here to see pretty young girls naked. But as you can see by some of the posts in this thread that there are viewers here for things other than nudity. Or at least they are posing as viewers. Maybe they are really hosts as there are a large number of hosts in the softcore categories and maybe even a few in hardcore, that think being sexy does not necessarily mean nudity. In my opinion most men would disagree, but we do have many outspoken hosts on site.

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"There are many men that you are apparently not aware of that come to see hosts for other reasons other than nudity and many also like older women too, so I have to say your personal choices limit your knowledge to what you know or hear. This is exactly why softcore hosts and non-adult also do well here.

Doing well or not doing well are subjective terms. And only CC knows who is generating the most revenue to the site. I have no knowledge of other members and do not care to have any. But I would bet if there was a poll on the subject that most men everywhere would vote hardcore. And how someones spends his money is his business. And yes it is good to have something for eveyone.

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Ah, so then their are a separate set of rules for the host when they are actually signed in then.
That is not made clear during the sites term and conditions.

I cannot find it written anywhere here...

So cool, host beware, beggars will visit you later :p lol

I would have copied it before but 1) I didn't have it right at my disposal, 2) I didn't know if CC would post it, and 3) I don't like that it seems to mandate masterbation and penetration so I didn't want to put it out there for all to see.

I suppose that the reality is that regardless of category, mosts hosts that get naked seem to masterbate and often penetrate so I guess it isn't that of a deal. But a busy host in a category that required masterbation or penetration might not find things too fun after awhile although many fake it anyway.

I wish they made things clear to all, but unfortunately CC does not. My summary in the viewer forum is pretty much all they need to say. Obviously, CC doesn't want to say too much in a marketing page when it publicly defines categories. It is really an advertisement to get guys to join the site as opposed to a reference point in terms of rules. But it should be written a lot better. Something like...

Not So Shy: Full and explicit nudity is available at the viewer's request, but he should check with the host if he wants anything beyond that.

Instant Action: Full and explicit nudity is avaible at viewer's request, and not only that, it will be delivered right away! Once again, he should check with the host if he wants anything beyond that.

Writing things in that manner ends the debate about "bail out" clauses. Additionally, I would not have anything in the host rules/agreements about masterbation, penetration, et cetera. I think nudity is the key issue as demonstrated by the million posts on this subject over the years. I don't recall anyone posting they were upset about a lack of masterbation, penetration, or toys, but I imagine it has happened.

As for other things beyond nudity, that should be left between the viewer and host. The host can put in her profile what else she does and does not do, and the member can decide if he wants to see her. Granted, profiles are not always read, and a viewer may just hop into video, ask for toys, for example, be turned down and leave with a one star rating, but that type of thing can't be prevented. Even if he read the profile, the guy still might enter video, ask for toys, and give her one star anyway if he would do it without having read the profile first.

The other things CC needs to do is clarity the "only 121" stuff and make it clear that this is not permitted in not so shy or instant action. Most CC staff will tell you that it is not permitted, but it does cause problems. Again, a simple statement in the rules as opposed to the FAQ's could say something like

One to one is an option for viewers that are willing to pay a premium for privacy. It is not to be used by hosts to get around the category minimums of open sessions. For example, a host is not to ask a viewer in a not so shy or instant action open session to enter one to one video before being able to see full and explicit nudity. However, hosts are able to offer additional features beyond the category minimums in one to one as a way to encourage viewers to enter one to one. Nevetheless, if the viewer refuses to enter one to one, the host must immediately continue offering the category minimums in open session. She must still perform the show that is mandated by the category minimums without stalling.

I would also add a some language that said something like...

Additionally, when in open session, if any viewer requests the category minimum such as a viewer in not so shy requesting nudity, the host must perform as requested. She cannot indicate that others are happy just chatting, for example, and that the viewer should come back later. If the host does not like this, she can change categories so that there are different minimum, offer passwords, or encourage viewers that don't want others to interrupt to enter one to one in order to prevent such problems in the future.

I think such language is necessary because the viewer cannot communicate with a host in open session other than by entering open session and being charged. The effect is that guys would either need to risk wasting their money or everything would be de facto 121 sessions. Ideally, guys should be able to ask the host from text chat if she's performing a show or just chatting but CC turned off the ability to do that a few years ago so I guess it was a problem. (At least, I think that I used to be able to send messages to hosts in video in the past. Maybe they never got them, lol.)

121 in those categories should be to insure privacy and complete attention from the host and not used for nudity.....bottom line.

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Excuse me, but this is a cam website, and there are parameters within which each host has agreed to work here. Working here is a privilege, not a right. CC has set the parameters and hosts should abide by them. So it's not just as simple as "she can do whatever she likes" -- yes, she can, but WITHIN the agreed-to parameters. Why? because customers ARE paying for a service here. And without the customer base, CC wouldn't have a business no matter how many hosts it had.

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"Working here is a privilege" This is a cam site not the NFL.

Where did NFL come from? Whose company is this? It's CC's company. It is not the hosts'. CC has the right to accept or refuse or terminate any host account. So long as they abide by the agreed-to policies set by CC, the privilege is granted. Let the policies be disregarded or broken, CC will suspend or terminate permamently a host's relationship with CC.

yes? then You've learned also take that money back like refund things??

excuse me, but wtf are you talking about? and what has that got to do with the subject at hand?

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oh, cc was prostition who has whip to hosts, U must?? well, I thought cc is the biggist company with good reputation ;)

It is not CC it is you that a the reason for the member not being happy!! The hosts here should follow the rules without needing a whip from CC. They should not have to babysit you for you to follow the rules. You are so funny with your simple thinking...

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it just seems, if you guys telling this eggplant is cucumber, then we have to accept that's cucumber. very confusing, but we know inside, it's not right.

I'm sorry but your comment makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

It is the same host trying to argue....lol

You are still "to be logical" trying to justify blame on someone else for the fact that you were charged back for not following the rules for the category that you were in. It makes perfect sense.

is THAT what this is about? I'm glad you were able to decipher it.

Regarding chargebacks, some members do it simply because they are cheap sleazeballs, and have no intention of paying a host. However, I don't know what CC's policy about it because I never chargeback and don't intend to. The host's "show" would have to be SUPER bad for me to ever request a refund. Usually I decided after a few minutes if the show is going to be what i want, and then exit accordingly. I don't keep going back to see if things have changed, nor do I linger around hoping that eventually the host will accomodate me. I figure the couple dollars a bad experience costs me is worth it to learn not to come back. But there will be no more for that host.

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Shave it and use Turtle Wax for clean shine

Your natural hair color would do just fine....

since "some host" explained breton, i'd have to say keep your style as is, if the bangs are the kind cut in straight line right above eyebrows. It is not a style I find attractive. But I'm only one guy. I'm sure there are many more who like that style.

If you mean making the host's pic bigger so it is full screen, not that I know of, but you can go under her picture and make it bigger size. I forget what it says exactly, but it is fairly obvious.

You can also hit F11 on your keyboard to get rid of the menu bar at the top while in video to have more room for the expanded pic.

Finally, you can make your resolution 800x600 (for windows, at least for XP, right click on a blank place on you monitor where there are no icons, slect properties, select settings, and then choosee 800x600 for resolution). The only downside to this is that you cannot see what you are typing to the host so try to type more carefully. Just click at the usual place to type, type, and hit return, and it should work like normal. When you are done video, you may want to change the resolution back to what it was before so make sure you take note of how you had it before making the change. You change it back the exact same way you changed it to 800x600, albeit with a different resolution selection.

to get the menu bar back at the top, hit the F11 key again, by the way.... and if you like the look without the menu bar, it will appear when u put the mouse cursor at the top so u can type like normal

no full screen on cc in vid , cc has been telling us for 5 years its coming soon . maybe this will be the year .

Getting tired of waiting.

Don't hold your breath.

Always good advice... Unless under water or are someplace where the air is not safe. :P

I'm sure CC are aware of the demand for this but there's no point unless you've got a decent connection speed otherwise making the cam larger would look really poor. Perhaps this is why they haven't released it yet. "Best things comes to those who wait!

Yes, it's partly a bandwidth issue because it's almost pointless have full screen video unless you also support higher resolution cameras so the source video is bigger than 320 x 240..

In reality the "full screen" mode on other sites is only scaling of smaller 320 x 240 video except for sites that support so called "HD" video when host has a higher resolution camera and fast internet, but still the video is scaled up from something like 640 x 480. These sites will never broadcast in true full screen HD video (1920 x 1080p) because that's way too much bandwith to use. I beleive Netflix only streams movies in 720p and reports say they use up to 20% of internet bandwidth in USA during evenings when their users watch films.

If you have Windows 7 (maybe Vista too) and a good video card that suppots aero you can magnify the screen and get the same full screen view (non hd) view found on other sites. Note that some Microsoft mouse users also have magnify function but I'm not sure if you can magnify your whole desktop so you can still chat.

Thanks for all comments and advices.

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I like the link to my account to remember who I had that great moment with, I too like pvt messaging in free chat

i like that u can come here and talk to yourself

I like that I'm not talking to myself, I'm talking to you

Well Candy and Ed Martin....couldn't you discuss this together?

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very true-very boring-now I wish I didn't read this post

And you don't think it is quite obvious that EdStorm and CandyMartin were spoofs of the first two posters?

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I think YOU are the best feature here on CC :)

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121 action and the friends I make here, although they lived across the country, wait I quest thats not a feature

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No, you only think it looks longer. It's called PTTDS -- Post Traumatic Tattoed Dick Syndrome

hope it worths the pain&trouble. what did you got?

I have a meter yardstick tattoo on my penis.....

Shame your legs are only 90cm

lol.. i guess the 3 legged man its not just a myth, huh :))
any bearded ladies around also? :)))))

ROFLMAO, no wonder he wabbles when he walks!

"huge" with the 1 meter cock - your a Freak of Nature

i'ts like Coney Island Reloaded... in a vitrual space this time :))

i would laff at replys:P

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I agree, but you would have people make sarcastic comments about it--so why suffer--lets just continue the way it is now-have fun and talk about fantasy and dreams

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Nice post. LMAO

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Do you make your slaves strip?

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"Any other repetitive themes here, lol?"
Happy New Year - Happy Easter - Happy Birthday - Merry Christmas

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You forgot one -- people who put up sarcastic posts bitching about the things other people talk about.

lol... fair enough

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You nailed it host. This is the only site that has category descriptions. While I disagree how they are described, at lease cc makes an attempt to guide new viewers, while other sites do not.

I'm sorry you when to the effort for what worked out to be nothing for you.
That just sucks.

I give you respect for going to the effort in the first place... it's a nice quality to have ;)

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Only you mention these 'ratings'

Pretty naive to asses a performer purely on a rating ;)
More importantly; someone else's rating ;)

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I have gone to video with a lot of hosts who looked good in the pics but in video...yikes....not so good. Generally these are hosts with few pics and the pics don't really give you a good head shot and sometimes partially or fully hide her body. A lot of times I enter the video...see that the host just is not going to get it going for me...and apologize and leave. Did you buy every pair of jeans or dress or coat you tried on? It happens...nothing personal.

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whats up with this whole rating frenezy? i just don't get it. people usualy have different tastes, and no matter how good you look and no matter how good your performance is, it just doesnt do it for the guy. i'ts really impossible to be liked by everybody.
so why do u get upset over somebody being honest? sounds a bit like kindergaten, even if we are all supposed to be addults here. so dont get to pissed girls, im pretty sure guys dont care that much about your ratings.. as somebody esle said here "other people ratings". Make love, not war!

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then more fans -then more stars :)

A minimum video time of 5 minutes would be good.

Also something to address people who come into video while host is already in open video. The first person should always get priority so the 2nd person shouldn't expect the host to stop what they're already doing for 1st customer and immediately do what 2nd customer wants. I think some guys specifically look for hosts who are already in open video and try to get them to follow their orders instead of requests of 1st customer. If host don't give them priority they rate them badly, so maybe the 2nd person in video should not be allowed to rate host
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Given hosts charge different amounts, to be fair to both hosts and members, I would think about setting a minimum voting system that considered both money spent and time in video. Perhaps something like a minimum of $5,00 spent or 5 minutes in video, whichever comes first, would be a good system.

The problem is that no system will always work. For example, if a member goes to instant action and wants a host to strip right away as she's required to do, he really shouldn't have to wait more than 1 minute to vote. If you've said "Hi baby. Let's have some fun." and she stalls, you should be able to give her a low rating and not have to wait 2 or 3 minutes to vote.

I suppose CC could make it so for glamour and little shy, you must wait 5 minutes to vote since so many guys expect nudity in 2 seconds when it isn't even required, make it 3 minutes for not so shy, and 1 minute for instant action, or something like that, but I would imagine that would be difficult to implement.

Perhaps just making it 2 full minutes before being able to vote would things more fair to all as opposed to one minute. That would make the guys just popping into video for 20 seconds to one star a host they don't like less of a problem. And when a guy jumped into glamour or little shy and said "strip" and the host didn't, he probably will leave fast rather than waste his money to one star the host. Simply making it a full 2 minutes would probably solve 95% of the problems and create very few, if any, new ones.

(Hosts: members are charged for a full one minute regardless of whether they stay 1 second or 60 seconds... After that, they are charged a partial minute amount so 1 minute, 45 seconds, means a member is charged for exactly 1 minute, 45 seconds. That means for a member to vote after 2 mintues means he must have actually been in your video for a full 2 minutes as opposed to his being able to vote after 1 second like things are now even though he is charged for 1 minute.)

I would also increase the votes used to compute a rating to 20 votes with just one vote per member. I believe right now it is just the last 10 votes and one member can vote more than once as long as at least 3 members have voted in the last 10.

So a full 2 minute voting minimum, the last 20 votes, only one vote for each member in these last 20 would seem to work. I might make it one vote per ip address along with one vote per account in these last 20 to make it harder for members with multiple accounts from manipulating things. I am sure some guys could get around this, but to have multiple accounts and keep switching ip addresses would make take time and discourage people from trying to manipulate things.

all hosts who are working regulary and earn a lot of money,on the regular basic,should be on top.(its mean they are good hosts and many men like them,and more men will like them if they are on top...) .. all others lower on list.. :)))

and nobody cant rate good hosts bad ever...:P only 5 stars opinion should work :P

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Once my friend-member told me he visited video other host and rated her 1 because she was very arrogant and pushed him to 121 even he didnt request nudity and she wasn't from glam or lil shy. So i looked in other day her rating with curious and it was still 4,5 :)....maybe that day she had some other visitors rated her 5, but anyway his rate didnt ruined anything. I think rating system at cc is pretty fine and one bad rate can't change everything.

I understand what you are saying, but the problem is that after 5 years, such a host would often act like a b*tch any time she felt like it because it would take a lot of low ratings to ever get her below 5 stars. At the same time, I agree that one bad rating shouldn't cost a host her 5 stars. Depending upon how CC calculates the stars, my idea would make it so it would take more ratings to reduce someone's stars. Plus, by increasing the minimum time to vote and forcing the member to wait a full 2 minutes, I think most of the idiots wouldn't bother to stick around to rate. Guys voting just to help their friends probably would wait the full 2 minutes, but once you make the angry psycho spend more money, he may decide it isn't worth staying to give a bad rating or at least won't do it as often.

I understand your concerns, but the rating needs to reflect what a host has done lately to give customers the best indication as to how she is performing in recent days. How she has done for the past 5 years might be important if she is competing for the Chathost Lifetime Achievement Award, but it doesn't do much for a member who is visiting her for the first time today. And the reality is, there may be times that hosts lose a 1/2 star or star because of a few idiots, but even under the current system, it isn't like stars are jumping all over the place. Hosts star ratings, if anything, are pretty contstant so whatever CC is doing, obviously, the effect of a few angry customers isn't too great, and if it is, the host probably has more than just a few disappointed customers so maybe she is getting what she deserves. Plus, any 5 year host that has done well probably has a list of guys on her yahoo that she is asking to rate her so I doubt she needs to worry for long, and even if she never asks, they will probably visit her soon and her rating will be back where it started.

The reality is, in my view, the rating system works pretty well if members look at things a little differently than the stars suggest. 4.5 and 5 star hosts are usually good (not necessarilly excellent, but probably at least good to very good), 4 stars are probably worth a look but you might have just a mediocre session in many cases, 3.0 and 3.5 stars are risky, and under 3.0 stars.... don't waste your time. Also, hosts need to remember that most guys are giving 5 stars to be nice even if the host isn't "excellent", at least based on what people historically say in the forums, so a host below 4.5 or 5 stars is probably doing something wrong and doesn't deserve a top rating. It takes a lot for most of us not to give 5 stars when we vote, so if your rating is below 4.5, with all due repsect, you probably are doing something wrong or maybe you are not quite as attractive as some other hosts here and your personality isn't making up for this.

Whenever this topic is raised, comment focuses (like here) on things like the time in video before being entitled to vote, money spent etc. Perhaps more fundamental is the desciption of the ratings themselves. For instance 3* is defined as "satisfactory", ostensibly a positive rating, but I doubt there are many who would perceive it as such: either as hosts receiving such a rating, or as members searching a host to visit.

good point... Three stars is definitely not satisfactory in my experience.

In my experience, I'm not likely to be happy or satisfied with hosts under 4.5 stars. Four star hosts sometimes are "good" but often are not. Below that, I usually end up not being very happy.

Maybe renaming the ratings would be better. Even making the highest rating 4 stars might help like with movie rating but people are more use to ratings with up to 5 stars on sites like this.

A four star system such as Bad, Fair, Good, Excellent might be better. Or simply renaming the ratings and say Very Unsatisfied, Unsatisfied, Neither Satisfied or Unsatisfied, Satisfied, Very Satisfied like marketing surveys might work better.

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I find the rating useful only if the ratings are low. A host with under 3 has issues. Chances are she does not deliver as agreed in chat or there is something that is off....3 and above are generally ok. 4 and 5's can often be expensive (you get what you pay for). Not that I look for a 4 or 5 with a low price. But 1 and 2 I avoid.

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I agree in part with what you say, but I think price matters in different ways. Higher priced have few viewers, so we are dealing with less opinions and it could be based on looks and we all know beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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ring finger....

which made it difficult to type on his computer.....

which made it difficult to type on his keyboard.....(not on his computer as it appears above)<br />
So he used sound .. as hosts couldn\'t understand him he left CC.

genital herpes

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So, he took a bottle of vodka....

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and one day......

a little bird flew into his window...

and saw the man lying on his bed.......

its was such a strange feeling ...

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but couldnt get it up...

and he took viagra...

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his penis fell off and he grew a vagina!

and he cryed...

and interesting thing coome on his mind:))...

a hand job :))

he checked carefuly, for to be sure that no one is spying him..

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tall at least ?:P

he carefully climbed into his wardrobe

But suddenly somthing unexpected is happens :O ,,,,,,,,

a bright light turns on and a loud voice says...

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SURPRISEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)))))))))))

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since then he became a chat model and works under the screen name "PrincessLeia"

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The next thing he knew....

then it poked him in the eye!

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he got his revenge on the ULTRA-CYNICAL RUSSIAN HOST by...

being the one and only Stephen Hawking.

LizaXX has great English skills.

thanks, but she is a bit chubby :( . i'm more into the skinny type of girls

I think you checked out Lisaxxx by mistake. If you actually find LisaXX chubby you need your eyes checked. No offense.

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because i want some good english, but not only. i want her to look good also. and i havent met many us/british breathtaking girls. sorry its just my oppinion. girls pelase don't feel offended

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There are several hosts who have great English laguage skills....but getting one without an accent is about impossible unless they lived in the US for a long time. I work in a university with a lot of students from around the world...and an accent is inevitable. I think they are sexy. Most girls are easily understandable. Some spent summers in the US on summer work programs. You must be patient and listen carefully and you will understand them. I am not going to give you their names because they are mine....all mine....but keep trying they are out there.

Swannie speaks perfect english with a perfect american accent , you would never guess she is not american if you hear her speak .

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who are you, so I can send you mail and to see if I can get you to stay, and lets talk

"No one quits the firm". See you next month

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you wont be missed viwer

You are not the first person that promises to quit vicious habits in New Year occasion, and you will not be the last (looser).

good luck viewer, wish you the best-hope some day i can leave to with the one I love.

I hope your journey is not with a host...or I can tell you where it is headed.

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nice try but dig deeper :--)

but not for russian..

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Just so you know, ~350 million years ago, the year was 420 days long (earth's spin is slowing down). So what day would it fall on back then?

i might be thick, but if the earths spin (or rotation about the sun) is slowing down (which i agree it must be) how can it take less days for a year than in distant past?

The "earth's spin" and its "rotation around the sun" are two different things. However, it is more proper to speak of the earth's "revolving" around the sun, and "rotating" on its own axis.

Faster spin = more revolutions of the earth about its axis as the earth moves around the earth in one year. Each day was much shorter back then, about 20.9 hours long.

january 7 is the real date for birth of jesus..go figure!

+ 10000000 ! Totally aggredd !

because December 25 - the date in the Gregorian calendar (scientists around the world are now proven that it is not quite accurate calendar) and January 7 in the Julian calendar and all the world's scientists agree that the Julian calendar the most accurate and true. Just information for thought.
Anyway HAAPY NEW YEAR everybody !!!! many many luck and happy days !

All the world's scientists agree that the Julian calendar the most accurate and true. I wonder (are you my powerful lady, among them)?

should i open my face ? :P

Actually January 7th in the Gregorian calendar (on which Western Christianity's calendar is based) is actually December 25 in the Julian Calendar (on which the Eastern Orthodox calendar is based) Since the secular world operates on the Gregorian Calendar it "appears" that the Eastern Orthodox are celebrating Christmas on January 7th, but in fact they are celebrating Christmas on December 25 (according to the Julian calendar)

That is.. 25 december is Christmas day for all churches... 7 january in Gregorian calendar is 25 December for Julian calendar.

Yes, but that got lost in your original post.

thank you

Strictly speaking it's not really the Orthodox Christmas today, just the Christmas of those Orthodox churches which continue to use the Julian calendar; though admittedly most of these are in eastern Europe, as stated.

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It actually says "prerecorded video" when it is, in the host's profile page right under her profile picture.

But we can tell from the category she is in that it is pre-recorded, can't we?

Sorry, should have made it clearer...it's when hosts are listed in your favorites it says "live now" and you cannot tell if they are live or recorded until you go into their profile and Uh Oh is absolutely right, it is written there in large red letters.
You cannot tell from their category or the listing in favorites if they are recorded without going to the profile to check. There are some hosts who are hardly ever live but always show up in "little shy" or whichever category they choose.

and ur upset coz it takes 5 seconds away from ur life to check in the profile?? some ppl will complain about anything i guess

lmao shyster but you forgot the time it took to think & type this post.so maybe it is a major problem :--)
happy new year all & merry crypto christmas!

no. He made a suggestion that would make navigating the site more sensible.

aye land hooo columbus!! :--)

don't u see that when u click video chat or look in the "who's on line now?"?

Off topic a bit...I would love to see hosts put a 30-60 second free video as part of their profile. Optional...but I think I would waste less time looking for a girl and more time in video if I could see her in a sample video. Nothing sexual would be needed...up to the host...just an intro.

they do that now,you just have to be part of the"chosen few" :--)

As long as we're making suggestions here, I'd like to see the date the video was recorded so the viewer might know before entering if it might be one he's viewed before or not.

thats men, love us or hate us.

if it makes you feel any better i have been treated the same by women. good luck in finding somebody who does not treat you this way for either sex.

ROFLMAO

it's like that song xenia...men what are they good for?....absolutely nothing!" :--)

Was that really men they were singing about?.... Hmmmm...

it's "war" actualy :)))

war is a man,or at least war is a euphemism for man :--)

what brand of glue do u sniff?

I'm with the same two girls for two years, at least every week... and possibly, no matter how long, until they retire... I'm loyal, they're fabulous ! :D

2 girls ))) TWO girls ?
at least you monogamus )) with your TWO GIRLS ROFLMAO

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does the guy know how you feel about him?
have you met him in real?
he probably has no clue how you feel about him.

you should contact the guy and talk to him. only he will know why he not contact you.

You should take a medicine too then. Why would you search someone who doesn't wants you around anymore so he/she left ?

Exactly .......men will jump in with both feet while they are still accessing the situation but when they find something that they don't like they will just silence themselves instead of a goodbye and big explanation that might hurt your feelings......instead of hating them for that I would just say NEXT......and chock it up to experience :) GoodLuck!

well yea since no one paid she knew you were a liar !!

Host can see you when you are watching pre-recorded video, she can even chat with you while you are there if she is at her pc... propably she say she did not believe you to make you go and watch this pre-recorded again, to "help" more lol

but after the pre-recorded session is over she should be able to tell that i was there right? and how much money i spent?

yes she can check in her revenue...but if she still says u didnt go there...go to ur session stats and make a screen print and send to her to prove it...tho why u should feel the need to justify urself over this is anyones guess

yes, we can see the all names and time spent in our video

time to get a new fav host dude ....i would

Sounds like that host treats you like a slave....

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It is going to be ok for maybe 10-15 years more and after that the hosts will start telling you that you look 30 ;)

they tell me that , r they lieing?:(

i dont know how about others. but im exited about men who are 40-50 :)

whatever age you say you are , is the perfect age , there is no one answer .

I have told hosts I am 22 and I have told them I am 72....same response...perfect age.

age makes no difference. all i matters is your pesonality and teh skills you have in turning a woman on. i came like crazy with guys in their 20's and also with guys in their 60's but on the otehr hand, there are morons of all ages too. so dont worry about ur age. just try to make yourself pleasant

If I thought I could turn on a woman by typing words on a computer screen I would agree...but I think...turning a woman on is another way of saying...stay in video longer and chat with me...you really dont care what is said...lets face it...what turns on CC hosts is long, costly videos...

Amen brother, you nailed it

you might try do give it a shot. girls here have hormones too, and if you know what to do you might even gett some off ;)

I would guess only a handful of hosts really get turned on by a member...I would guess it would have to be cam to cam...and face it...how many times can a host cum in a 12 hour period...during a video? Not that many...most orgasms are fakes.. most are bad fakes..a few are excellent fakes...but fakes they are. Still....do a guy...does it rally make a difference?

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not always long video make every host happy, i asked viewers get off from my vid, just because get too bored from them....not everything about money in the world :P

turning women on by words and her imagination is very much possible, i feel sorry for guys that don't know how and therefore think it's impossible, no hang on i don't feel sorry for u at all, your loss is my gain

as long as you pay them money.....whatever age you are....is the perfect age to them

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the question was about perfect hosts age for members..))

Perfection won't live forever. When I tell hosts I'm 53 I'm told that's a "nice age". I used to think this was a compliment but now that I see 34 is "perfect" the wind is fast escaping my sails.

... you still have a few years left before they start telling you "Oh the same age as my dad"

No matter what age you when you are paying a host she will say it's the perfect age there is no such thing as love in sites when you pay its all illusion roleplaying no exceptions ever any story ever told of member and host marrying is a host lie

age is not matter.any men can be wanted in any age-so there are no perfect age 4 me

To a successful host every paying customer is the perfect age, the perfect look, the perfect everything. I have encountered several hosts that have called me fucked up and an idiot while I was in open video and even one in 121.

Casablancka is the perfect host, a role model for what a host should be.

hum:P thank u:P blush>:)

the perfect age is the age of the man you're with...until death do you part,hopefully from overuse :--)

well i have i seen that my performance and body is not as good as it was when i was younger. From my own experience regardless of what women might think- i know my best years were 28-38, next were 20-28, thirdly were 38-44, now it is all downhill all i can hope is to pull up the handbrake hard and reduce the speed it runs away from me.

I like my hosts to have Mohawks

dark -chokolate color hair ,a bit wavy, but silky., till waist. its the best

Long, long, long long!

preferably shaved :p

long blonde hair ;)

What we talking about, the curtains or the carpet...?

Long hair on the head, preferably suffering with alopecia from the neck down.

Brown, red, the longer the better. At least long enough to cover breasts is great.

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mullets rock :)))

while members working to pay off credit card bills.....skiing or some place warm with their husbands or bf's

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im sorry for this answer, but no one forces us members to go to video and pay money, we do it because we want it, and these girls r only working,so its not the girl's fault if u need to pay credit card bills and girls go for vacation. so dont need to complain about it if you want more money in your pocket no one is forcing you to spend it, its just my thought

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"Our"....sorry, are you speaking on my behalf? I don't recollect giving you my proxy.

hmm-I have no idea of what you just said

No clue what his point is....

The girl i visit in glamour just doesn't do stuff for anyone, so i take it thats why she's in glamour, so she's free to do whatever she wants. Heck most times I have to just get her on the right day. but man its worth the wait. Instant action just doesn't have the same appeal. There's no game involved, no feeling of chasing. I prefer it this way, i do enjoy being teased

She does stuff for everyone just makes you pay more

Nope.

teased and fooled may be

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So your point is....??? That they should not offer oneToOne anymore?

I think what he means is 121 is a rip off

I agree for most it's just an excuse to get more money, but there really are some girls who only do more when they know no one else will peek in and see them doing it. I've known a couple girls on different sites go from anyone can voyeur to true 1 on 1 pvts. The pvts got a lot more interesting.

I don't disagree with you. I was only stating what I thought the thread starter was saying

We're all fools here, paying money for this, but its what we do. And its what we want.

Other than in non-adult categories a host can do anything she pleases or is talked into by the member....Not so Shy and Instant Action presume you will see harder core adult action than in little shy or glamour...but....a girl doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to. I prefer Little Shy because they tend to be cheaper and very often the girls will do as much as IA. Glamour as well though it is slightly harder to find and they tend to be a bit pricier. Though....I have noticed that prices have moderated a bit and are a bit lower than they were a few months ago. Not sure why..maybe competition or too many hosts were sitting there doing nothing with high prices.

A host in IA or NotShy is obliged by CC rules to get naked so putting her session in one of these categories means a host is happy to do this.

For all the Little Shy and Glamor posts I have a really big stick and know where a dead horse is if you really enjoy it so much ;)

ROFLMAO. You nailed it dude. Great post

we cant see but we can guess. if my 4 fans visit me and only 1 new guy- and later i losing a star.not hard2 guess and block asshole:)))

If this "new guy" has rated you fairly based on his evaluation of the video session, and not deliberately rated you low out of malice, what actually makes him qualify as an "asshole"?

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When he stays a short time and expects a quick strip in softcore....that certainly qualifies...

Wow, ok.... Wish I knew who you are. lol

hmm why? :) to rate me bad?)) im always polite with guests.and so on... and if guy rate me bad its only couse he is bad. not me.

oh no my dear, I like you already. :-) mail me

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Hello me.....no hosts do not know how each member rates...because even regular viewers will rate even his fav host under 5 for many reasons...one big reason being if she is always busy a the time that e decides to visit....so if rating lower it might give him a better chance at catching her ......it may not always fair...but at the same time i do understand......

and remember ladies before getting angry...it takes what 9 separate viewers in a row to give u a five ...but in those 9 it only takes one viewer to go even 4.5....

take care and hope all enjoy their time with a host that is suited to them....

hugggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

I've been accused of giving bad rating to hosts I rated 5. And there are arrogant and rude hosts on site, in particular in Glamour.

" if she is always busy a the time that e decides to visit....so if rating lower it might give him a better chance at catching her" omg . my friends would never do it with me :(

do ratings really matter that much? honestly i had no idea they existed untill i started reading this thread:))

a quick answer is; sex with someone i have no feeling for except lust is like eating a takeaway chinese and making love with someone i'm..well ..in love with is like eating my favourite 3 course meal.
the first feels good but after an hour you feel empty inside, the second leaves you feeling satisfied for a long time.

A lot depends on which country the girl is from...
Different countries, different sex ;)

I would go further than Joe's analogy.

Having sex with a pickup is like scratching an itch - it puts a smile on your face for a little while.

Having sex with someone I love makes me feel loved, valued, wonderful sometimes... It's totally different.

Both can give you mind-blowing orgasms, but it's the way you feel afterwards that makes the difference.

Having said that, it's been a while since I've had either :(

With a quick pickup I have sex for my pleasure for someone I love I have sex for her pleasure.

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I think that this post and those that answer it will find they will be treated a bit different after the hosts read this .....loool....

i think u just let the females on this site see what u really think of them,,not only as hosts but as women...I am sure that a number of members have told a female on here and maybe even in person that a women's pleasure is most important., has just shown that is not true..and u have described them as throw away pieces of meat that dont matter....and many women do this to men too......

seems to me that men wonder why women treat them and react to them the way they do.....when reading this post....lol,and yes ladies ....many of u are not any better....lol....

Guys altho u may say u dont care...i think u will care when u are treated differently after the females read this....loool..

there was a post in viewer forum regarding a post that was in the chathost forum...and to me this post and that post like many posts on here show greatly the lack of respect and care of peoples feelings...

both sexes want to be treated with respect ...yet it is hard to even get a sense of that ..with all the posts that are posted on here...

sex with anyone...be it someone u love or someone u don"t love or someone u know well or someone u don"t very well, is a different experience, and that is how it should be seen..


remember to wear ur cups when visiting the women on here...loool....

I think you make a big fuss over nothing. Wanking on CC doesn't qualify as having sex with the one you're seeing online, even if you truly like the one you're doing it with. And sites like this one are especially created for men's pleasure - one click, get off, be on your way and she'll be your dirty little secret, no strings attached.
If in your opinion men here treat women as disposable objects, wouldn't you agree girls hosting on such sites treat men as walking ATMs?
I don't think it's the case to fluster and act like a damsel in distress about it.

well i was not acting as damsel in distress...in fact i would have to be a damsel....looool

i was only makin an observation...about how men and women see each other and talk of each other....and will react to each other....

i guess u missed how i said a number of times that women are no different....

and to some people on here that do not have a partner.....to them even wanking is sexual....

sex is not only intercourse....it is any sexual act....be it intercourse, wanking, oral, as well as fantasies being done....

so sorry u take an observation about how both sexes are to each other instead of considering or being willing to look at the content with an open mind...

I have already had backlash from this post from a couple of the hosts i see..that normally are very nice....and they are very different to how they normally are after reading this post....

i guess not all men are permitted to post a response or give and opinion or observation to a post for men only...

For the most part, most of the members here only come here and other sites to wank as they their real world sex life is non existent.

wanking is real sex! Sometimes it is as good as it gets.

Exactly what I was talking about

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Dont know, only had one woman so far so not much to compare to.

because there are alot more ppl on the internet than my backyard and because i don't like ppl in my backyard. next question.

i did found my love online.and all the virtual love story can became a real one .i think camcontacts is a good place to find a soulmate... not all the men here are wankers lol. many are gentlemns, as not all girls here are heartbrokers and cam w*** .most are amazing ladies... and.....for some peoples its very real...i like a lot of peoples here...

Agreed. If you'd ever seen the state of my backyard, you'd understand.

Where does love come from? It comes from deep with in our brains. Most successful relationships work because of good communication, respect, honesty and yes love. Online relationships can be just as real as ones in person sometimes more intense because of the greater mental connections made getting to know each other. This is one of the few posts i have ever responded to because I and a host fell in love - ( dont ask who it is i will never say :) after all that would betray a trust - I think people just need to stop judging others and judge yourself - but that i believe is too hard for so many to do - to be honest with ones self - i applaud all those who are willing to take a chance even if you feel pain - for if we never felt pain then pleasure would never mean anything - cheers oh and happy new year :)

That sounds so sensible.
My best respects to such type of a psychologist-guy. Mmmm pain and pleasure...

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Good post!
It will get us all thinking.
Those who would put funny, good and interesting
posts are often so busy in life.
The people who have no life, come here to complain
and express their bad feelings.
I will make an extra effort to put more good posts in forum!

the internet lets the keyboard warriors out to play . in the real world they would never get away with their stupidity .

Yes they do. They are called politicians.

did you ever think that leading every guy to think he is the 'special' one is the best way to keep viewers coming back?

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what's even scarier is that you think you know everything about this subject.

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we know ur only after the money here so don't pretend otherwise

believe u or not all hosts about the money here, you know it very well, dont pretend you don't ;)

no, i read what she wrote in another forum ;) so don't play innocent with me it won't work

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ok this time i read what u wrote instead of skimming it, just to prove i can read when i try. i believe u that all hosts come here for the money, i really do, but for some after they worked here some months or years they might meet someone they click with and meet outside of this virtual bubble, i know i have. but my point was (i think there was a point) this particular host has said one thing in another place where members not allowed and now here on general forum..wow can u believe it she has changed her tune, amazing or funny.

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Beautiful women who need money and are willing to do anything to make videos happen and emotionally needy men who need love and are willing to pay anything to experience it.....what do you think will happen? Besides...even if it isnt real for the host...the emotion and all its pains and joys could be very real for the member. There will be ...of course...a day of reckoning when he realizes it is indeed a fantasy...more sad than scary. Besides...how many times in real life is there a man or woman who feels something for another and that isn't reciprocated? Un-requited love. Ageless.

Perhaps the majority of hosts are selling an illusion and most members fall for it. But that doesn't make them mentally ill, that's quite a crappy remark on your part.
However, why is the idea that two people can genuinely fall for each other even on such a (fantasy) site? I don't see the point in being sour about it or considering the possibility sick in any way.

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Is how many are in denial about it, and how many are enablers for it.

Life sucks and then you die

Life is scary, thx God it.s so short :)