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I don't belive you, if you really love me you would lower your price :D

"Tue love is the most wonderful thing, except maybe for a a MLT -- a mutton, lettace and tomato sandwich when the tomato is nice and perky." -- Billy Crystal as Miracle Max in the Princess Bride

Now to find myself some perky tomato.

but... how can I believe you if some hosts see hundreds of men each day and they fall in love with hundreds of men too....

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Don't get depressed. Getting started in any new business venture can be slow, and that's what CC is -- a business venture. I looked at your profile and have a few comments that might help some.

First off you're right, you are a pretty girl. I have a soft spot for dark haired girls with light eyes so maybe I'm biased. But you have no reason to think lack of visitors is because you aren't pretty because you are.

Your archive pics are clear which is good, but for your first several days they were all pretty much the same face shot. You've added a few shots that show off your figure, that's a good move. Try to balance your photos more, some face shots, some body shots and some poses to catch interest.

Your profile doesn't actually say much, you're longest answer is merely 4 words. This doesn't say much about you or about what a viewer might expect. Consider this a business again, you're profile is your main advertising as the supplier of the product when you buy ad space you want to use it as best you can. As your profile is it's not making good use of your ad space. Worse is such short answers imply that your master of English might be far less then your posting here shows. Most people will tell you that doesn't matter because this is a "porn site" but it is also a "chat site." Let's presume 20% of viewers are interested in chat, that's 20% unlikely to visit you because of your profile.

I can't see what your "tag line" says, the description that shows next to your pic in your catefory listing when you're online, since you're not on-line. But if it's something short I suggest to come up with something more attention grabbing.

Also and there's nothing you can do about this, for several days some users have been having trouble getting to pages with pics on CC. For me I had no problem yesterday, but the 3 days prior were very bad. I know other viewers are (or were) experiencing the same issue so it could just be there were fewer viewers able to get to chat.

I hope this is some help to you.

good advice. she is attractive but just needs to show how attractive she is. What price have you got?

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hi, your photos are quite dark, lighten things up a bit, you look very formal..good luck

hi - sorry to hear that your work has been quiet. i agree that you do look pretty but i would say that looking at your profile and photos it is not really clear whether you are likely to do an adult show or not.
when you look pretty and well dressed in photos and it says your turn on is "polite people" it looks like there is a danger that you will be unwilling to strip in a show.

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Bestest Friend, you are welcome in my country any time. Muaaaaaah

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coz i'm wanted in my country...

Kiss Zaya (K)

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I like their food....mmmm Gypsy stew

To make a long story short:

I wouldn't move to Russia. I don't trust the political system. It have never been a free system in any definition of the word. If you are not capable of totally submerging all your thoughts or feelings you will be in danger sooner or later. Some many of Putin's prominent enemies have been openly murdered or imprisoned, what would happen to a nobody like me? I'm sure I could adapt to the common culture, but I can't keep my mouth shut, you know?

Plus the language would be a great impediment. And one would have to be able to live off of savings/pension, as I don't think a common American could easily get a job except maybe as an English tutor.

Maybe not a commom American, but a common Englishman would do just great.

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Ye ye ur so important, Putin needs uuuuuuu...Watch out now..Uve said too much...He will get u sooner or later, he will come for u himself! OMG sooooo silly. Its not funny anymore, get ur hands off of my president!

BC, You are right, it's not as difficult as one might think. I rented my house out here in the States and lived and worked in Paris for two years.

There are also usually some tax advantages too. France and the US have a reciprocity agreement. US citizens working in France do not have to pay taxes for the first two years. Likewise French citizens working in the US do not have to pay US taxes for the first two years.
The US and UK have a similar agreement.

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Don't think you have anything to worry about with the free thoughts thing.LOL!!

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http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2331992.ece

Really now... So a few Russian journalists have up and decided to off themselves or have otherwise recently met with an untimely end... And so those same few journalists just happened to have been some of the most vocal in their criticisms of the Kremlin.... It's not like that automatically means that those who would most benefit from their deaths actually had them killed. That's just crazy talk.

at least you have a good imagination.never let reality interfere with your conspiracy theories.

all supposition added to sparse fact,shows how far journalistic standards have fallen these days.no investigative journalism just the views of a person with vested interests.it's like the"denial machine"in the usa,first over tobacco & now over global warming.if you have the crackers you can always find a parrot ready to repeat your mantra.

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She's been on the saki again !

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for the smile :D

yes i have noticed that cc has deleted some post here completely! whats up with that?

Do people belief its a good idea for censor the forums?

This is a business not a public forum. There are no first ammendment rights here. They own everything that is posted. They can delete anything and everything they wish. WTF had close to 50% of his posts not even make it to the forum. So stop whining.

who whining? Haven't you ever been involved in a discussion? a serious one? Or are you only involved in juvenile sexually frustration and neurosis. Part of you relpy was find, but when you went into the whinning you open it up to the type of conversation that maybe isn't worth having.

actually this can be considered a public forum as well, even if it is a private business.

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yea and maybe one day they will be tried of open pussy and restrict you from view them, and maybe they will also restrict you viewing and speech. Do you live a free society?

This is a Public Forum the same way your front yard is a public forum. You can allow people to put whatever signs they want on your lawn but you are free to remove the ones you don't like.

Yes sure you are correct. However, I know a couple of posts that where very positive, constructive (thoughtful) and they were taken off the forum (perhaps because they where included with some very negative responses), yet some of the most obscene immature (even verbally violent material remains.
I just think whomever make the finally decisions should use more discrimination. Also i think it a bit contradictory in some way to have a just an open website sexually (which is fine) and yet not have open speech. In fact i am for completely open & and free speech! in the end it is always better to go with free speech even if in the process some peoples feeling may be hurt.

Censorship is good because [The following statement has been removed for legal reasons]

I would like to know the reasons/criteria cc uses to delete messages

Yes indeed what are the criteria?

My experience of the forums is that CC allows a great deal of freedom. However they do delete posts that are exceesively abusive, rascist etc or when the debate on a string has ceased to be based on reasoned argument has become too heated and degenerated into name calling. The one criticism I would make in thiose cases is that they often delete the whole string not just the bad posts. They may also delete posts if requested by a host or member.

So if a host or member goes and crys to CC it gets removed?
"CC, (sobbing) someone posted something in the fourm and I don't like it (sniffles), please remove it or I will be forced to call my mom(tear rolls down cheek)".
Come on people, you need to toughen up and stop being such pussies.

lol Johnny I do agree with most of what you say. I think that in the case of hosts the situation is slightly different because the posts could affect her income and could easily be complete lies.

Yesl that the point it COULD effect her income, so if she perform well she may make more money. Its somewhat self-regulating. And that the way the world works, if you an good pr do a good job, if you don't do a good job you have bad press. IT SHOULD be a FREE SPEECH WORLD, and that includes on a forum.

Let's take two examples. 1) A guy posts to say he has met a host, gives her name, and they spent a weekend having sex including oral and anal. Whether this is true or not don't you think the host is entitled to ask for that post to be removed. 2) Someone posts about a non-adult host saying she stripped and gave him a sexy show in 121. The host tells CC this was not true and CC checks the chat and it seems the host is correct. Again surely the host is entitled to have this removed.

well in real life does anyone correct rumour that are said about you by your friends? No, so I think that only under VERY VERY special circumstances should they remove something—if much better in the long run to have open free speech, than censorship, that the price you pay for freedom.

Everything is relative in this world.. even the Truth. Take ten people, ten different points of a scene, they will have ten opinions, ten truths. You can't possibly know the whole truth, because if you're from the outside, you are objective, but you don't have all the details. Being inside, you know the details, but you're subjective, that doesn't mean you know the truth either.

As long as there are lies that can dissimulate the truth, truth will always be relative. :) well, at least that's how I see things.

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there is absolute truth.i will die is an absolute truth.night follows day is another.but mostly truth is a perspective thing.

one for sure is truth... too many beers make me drunk (hic)

All depends on who you are talking to. I know some people who spin such lies that they actually start to believe them themselves. There is only one truth among all races and religions and that is we are going to die one day.
One religion is going to believe one truth about life while another believes another. So it is relative based upon the social norms you are raised in.

I think truth is what most of us strive for.
And that is what gives us hope for the future! :)

The Truth is just a lie that hasn't been discovered yet and that's the truth.

...okay, but is it a noble lie?

If you ask a serioius question. I gave it to you.

"ALL is Beautiful" (Plato) REALITY = TRUTH = BEAUTY "Truth is the happening of an event." (Enstein) "Truth is WHAT IT ALREADY THE CASE" before you add anything to it. One must distinguish between truth and Truth, one is contextual and one is absolute (transcendent). I agree Truth is Beauty and what is beautiful is what is ultimately loved, and that depends on ones state of consciousness.

If"Truth is the happening of an event"then everything is truth but that happening can never be exactly replicated or repeated.so it follows that Truth is an instant in time...

TRUTH is timeless, out of time & space.

"the happening of an event" pertains to an observable, scientific event that by defintion (according to the scientific method) must be able to be duplicated, or it ain't science. Science submits that once the evidence warrants it, an event, or phenomenon is "true." It does not, however, make any claim to Absolute (i.e.transcendent) Truth---with a capital T.

science the art of pretending theories are fact...

I suppose we could regard it that way. It's clear that some scientists---albeit the lesser ones---think that science has the last word on everything. It is clearly a modern mythology. Like all mythologies, it attempts to give an intelligible account of the way things are and how they got that way. The best scientists recognize the limits of science and they would simply say science provides the best account of some---not ALL--- things. And unlike religion, science recognizes that the truth of its claims may be supplanted.

Lesser indeed.

Hell, while learning about the scientific method in 8th grade biology, it was sufficiently drilled into even my dim brain that all scientific theories and hypotheses are always subject to disproval.

Any person who claims science definitively and absolutely explains anything isn't much of a scientist at all.

WT, You make some very important distinctions. It was Truth (with a capital T) I had in mind, but I like your examples: Plato's as an example of the transcendent; Einstein's as an example of---as you call it---"contextual", or one might say scientific.

Both science and religion proffer that their claims are "true," but the former admits of the possibility of refutation, the latter does not. And when the two butt heads, sparks fly. How interesting that in the name of God, religious leaders throughout history have killed people, both within their flock and outside it!

Galileo was, of course, a practical man. So when the Catholic Church showed him the rack, he withdrew his claim, in effect saying, "Nah, I didn't see anything through that telescope." Of course that wasn't enough for the Church. He was put under house arrest for the rest of his life. It's not that the Church Fathers didn't know Galileo was right. They know it, but the new Copernican view disturbed one of the core beliefs of their theology: namely, that Man, God's most perfect creation was at the center of the solar system (or known universe).

One interesting theme others have hit on is the indisputable truth that we must all die. That fact, it seems to me, is central to all religious doctrines and must be dealt with by non-believers as well. In this regard our mortality is tied up with the longing for transcendence (i.e. immortality). Religions make pronouncements on the immortality of the soul, but science is mute. (Only pseudo-science weighs in on this.)

Again, thanks for your thoughtful reply. :)

You say a lot here, but I will address only a few things for now.
Science (in the technical true since) actually does not prove anything, you can only disprove a theory.

ALL of conditional phenomenal existence is contextual. Truth with a big T is not located in time & space and is not conditional and cannot be a subject of OBECT investigation. Truth is niether inside or outside language, "it is what is already the case". It cannot be grasped conceptually nor understood mentally. Beauty is a feeling not a concept. BUT it can be experience with a certain process in consciousness.

What you say about religion and science is true enough. I think you are talking about the USES of science and religion, in the end they become Ideologies and uses for political end (& means).

I agree with what you are saying about death. And wha is it? Sure its an event in the conditional world, but it not in itself and end necessarily. Death is a contextual event, not a TRUTH but a fact, fact are contextual.

WT, I agree that one of the things that makes a science a science is that it must admit of the possibility of refutation. If not, it is not a science. That is why many argue "social sciences" and, say psychoanalysis are not really sciences. Please clarify what you mean when you say science does not actually "prove" anything. Do you mean it cannot prove its claims because they are contextual, i.e. dependent upon an antecedent claim? Would you say this about a geometric proof too---because it is dependent upon a preliminary acceptance of the definitions without which it can prove nothing?

I entirely agree with your point about Truth being outside of space and time. It could not be transcendent otherwise. As regards Beauty, I agree it occurs on the level of feeling, but this has not prevented philosophers and art theoreticians from putting forth a concept by which to judge a work of Art. Maybe this is what Edna St. Vincent Millay meant when she wrote in a poem, "Euclid alone looked on beauty bare." (Frankly, I think aesthetics is the least successful of the major subfields of philosophy.)

Re: Science & Religion, I of course alluded to uses--indeed abuses--of both, but even without the taint of politics and ideology, their respective aims (and claims) are different.

I see your point about death and I agree. But please clarify, when you say, "..it [is] not in itself [an] end necessarily," do you mean that it is not logically necessary--in the same way Hume points out it is not "necessary" that the sun will rise tomorrow?

(Btw, this is without question the most serious philosophical discussion I've had here! :) )

lol - it always good to see there are people out there who make us seem normal :)

Hehe... not for me thank you. All that auto-eroticism would just make me too tyred ;) ahem...

TNTHAG

TNT I don't know whether to laugh or cry :D

But in the same spirit. I can't understand why a car would give you the horn.

pfft! True rap is dead since mid 90s, imho. Nowadays hip-hop culture is no better that manufactured boybands in 90s. It's even worse.

For me this day is the day when 20 years ago one of THE greatest albums EVER was released - U2's The Joshua Tree.

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U2's The Joshua Tree you think of as being rap? good album i agrree, but far from rap :D
2pac? please!! way over rated for sure
now Public Enemy... there was some music as far as Rap/HipHop is concerned.
And always funny white ppls listening to it :P

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Ella Fitzgerald is fantastic!

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You don’t need to be sorry for being white. I happen to be the same. :D my statement had more to do with the typical middle class suburban white kids trying to identify with the ghetto life. :D I think it is a joke!
Never heard The Joshua Tree? I recommend downloading and taking a listen. Thank you for the great big smile when I read “When I was younger” :D Your still a baby, only 19! My god I would sell my soul to be that age again! Check out Billie Holiday if you want to know what real music is all about or the Grateful Dead. Yes I know two different extremes but both great music, much better then 2Pac :D

I wasnt refering to The Joshua Tree as rap album :D

Should I try to rap Bullet the Blue Sky now? Maybe Streets? hm.. lol

glad to hear! and no please dont try, would be a crime against the songs! :D

Sorry... you' re late. HAHAHAHA!

Just kidding. I'd never do anything to those songs.

well this stupidity certainly needed to be posted

Best raper of all time...Marky Mark and the Funky bunch...lol

Shakira???? What are you gibbering on about.
Most of the current American stuff is crap at the moment. It's far too money driven. Everyone seems to be putting their own vocals on the same backing track and calling it their track.
The uk scene is really good right now. Dizzie rascals new album is brilliant.
Greatest of all time though. Run DMC without a doubt.

shakira is not american

Never said she was

Whose House? RUNS HOUSE

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A year too long.... congrats :p

Oh only one year ? It must just feel like ten :P

Happy 1 year to you! Hope you will enjoy the rest of your time here and have no regrets! Good luck and lots of $

well done. I first discovered CC on 28th February 2006 and now i'm broke hehehe

Your family and friends must be so proud. As one of the rudest and flakiest hosts here let hope you don't make it to the second anniversary.

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I wonder how many slaps I would get if I tried that :(

amen :D

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Love. Love is the greatest gift God ever gave man. Love is not wanting to go anywhere without her. Love is not caring what other people think about the two of you. Love is when you feel depressed and sickly when you're not with her. You feel like your life has no meaning or purpose without her. And that if she wasn't holding your hand you would float away to heaven from where she came. Love is caring for her physically and emotionally. It's telling her everyday, anytime, anywhere, anyhow, for no just reason that you love her. Love is telling her u want to spend the rest of your life with her. Love is wanting to marry her even tho ya'll haven't been dating that long. That you would do anything and everything for her. It's the feeling that you would give up everything just to see her smile or look into her beautiful eyes or hear her soft, soothing voice. Love is pure happiness. Love is the feeling you get when all you have to do is think of her and it brings a smile to your face and a yourning to your heart. Love is not being able to think about nething but her. Love is having the sweetest dreams about her and waking up with a smile on ur face. Love is an overwelming feeling of pure bliss when the 2 of u kiss. Love is wanting to hold her in ur arms till the end of time. Love is wishing ur time with her never ends, that your lips would be locked together forever, that she'd be in ur arms till the end of time, that u could cuddle with her for all of eternity. Love is being helplessy and deeply in love with her and knowing your love for her and your feelings for her will never change/end. Love is the world, the world is love, and she is the world to me...

I think you may be referring more to co-dependence. :)

they have a 12-step group for that now. want the numbers?

The ability to ignore drawbacks and do your best for making the person near you as happy as possible!

love is...

being in your most vulnerable state you could ever be in yet in her arms you feel completely protected from the world.

Love is blindness, I dont want to see. Wont you wrap the night around, oh my love. Love is blindness.

love is when two people love each other:) thats it.:)Totally agree with gete:) Deeply and absolutely right spoken:)

Unconditional. and very often it hurts

Ture love is .69 cents a min vids.

the feeling of being loved

either take her in marriage and watch for her,either leave her alone to work.yes it can be more then simple work,it can be friendship,it can be fun.If you work someplace you'll know that the employee may get ure atention as friends not only as cooworkers.if you dont likeher to have friends,take her and watch for her urself

IMO the first step in curing it is admitting it's YOU with the problem. congrats. now you have to ask yourself 1 simple question"do you trust & believe in her?"if the answer is yes,then you must then have the strength to live with your belief.it wont stop over night but if you trust your instincts about her it will happen.if you can't then the honorable thing to do is.... the decision is yours because if you continue to be jealous you may lose her.

Real love is accepting her, for all that she is
and all that she does.

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Great advice

so as you are a member who has romantic feelings for a host is it safe to assume that you only ever go to her room to chat or for videos? and only chat to her in comm chat without deciding to look at the profiles (and semi-nude pictures) of the other girls in comm chat? if you are looking at other women then surely you have no right to feel jealous or annoyed that a girl you met on what is basically a porn site is working and doing adult shows for others on that porn site?
if she has a good personality and is attractive then obviously she is going to be busy here and surely you would expect her and her customers to be friendly and have a laugh and to presumably do rude things on video.
she is at work trying to earn money and so as long as you trust her i cannot see that you can be displeased at what she is doing - after all if you fell in love with someone working here and you joined as a paying member you cannot really make moral judgements about this work.
if you get together with her for real then possibly you could reasonably say you are not happy with her working here but then it would be up to you to help support her while she gets other work which may not pay as well as she is used to.

i'm in the same situation but the host who is my gf works in non-adult ,its even more stress :(

but at least you know she wouldn't be breaking the rules and doing rude things in 121 so there is less to be jealous of :) - so surely the only stress is worrying about people being rude to her which i think would always be a concern when she is working somewhere like this

why less to worry,alot off non-adult go nude in 121 ,so alot to worry about.

well basically, being realistic - you must know whether she does adult shows for you. if she doesn't and she is your gf then surely she is not doing them for someone who is not her bf!
if she does them for you then she probably does them for some others (whether a select few who are nice to her or for anyone who is prepared to stay in nonadult 121 long enough) but that still doesn't mean there is the same emotional involvement that there is with you. if she did adult shows for you before you were her bf then realistically you know she will still be doing them now.
i really do not see the problem as long as she is not saying to everyone that she loves them too or meeting up with members in real life behind your back - she is trying to earn money for a better life. does it matter if that involves her taking her clothes off in the safety of her home/studio to some strangers over the internet? i am sure most hosts do not feel any great emotional involvement with most members and so she is not likely to run off with someone else here - probably the chances of her meeting some nice bloke in real life are much greater than the chance of her throwing away a relationship with you for another member.

u give good advice but u ever been in this situation ,that u ae in love with host and that she loves you to, u were never jealous than. i did meet her on this site and we fall in love with eachother,so sometimes i do worry that she will fall in love with other .like u say its work for this girls,so its always possible that she can fall in love with someone else,nothing to do if its online work or real work

yes, i have been in this sort of situation - but from another site - was not jealous really of other members but must say it was a pain sitting around for hours in the middle of the night at a computer waiting for long videos to finish to see/chat to her again - didn't work sadly because i am still in another relationship and i was not trusting enough to end this relationship for someone who i sadly had some doubts over as to whether she was after money rather than me (and to be honest am still not really sure whether i was right or wrong). she no longer works as a host though as she hated the work and the rude guests wanting free shows etc - but good luck to you and i hope it works out

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its not that i dont want to trust her,but its very hard to do. its really no fun to sit many houres behind pc to wait till she is free and not busy with other to have a talk with her. and when she is finally free she is to tired or not in mood to talk with me :( till now everything is still ok with relation but its get more stressing. to fall in love is easy but to stay in love is hard work. so we just keep working on the relation till we are finally together

yes I know her, she does great shows in 1-2-1.

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If you are jealous you shouldn't talk to girls here. They are working. Until the time you put a ring on her finger and begin to support her you have no right to jealousy.

If you are so jealouse, and dont want her to work here, support her, and she will not work here anymore, if u cant afford to support her, let it go, cause, u will bankrupty your self.....and still have samething u had whe u met her....so only you can control it, good luck

Interesting post and good comments from both sides actually. I am wondering if the OP meant he did not trust the girl or not. I am also curious how their relationship is. Are they working towards a future together or is this 100% a cyber relationship. If this is a relationship with a future, with plans in motion and equal feelings on both sides, I can understand for sure how hard it is to sit there, more so in adult then non but why split hairs. I am not sure if jealousy is the proper explanation or not of the feeling, but for lack of a better one at the moment it will do. If OP your concerns are based on a lack of trust then 100% just move on, won’t be good for either one of you unless you can fix it fast. If you both plan a future together in real life, then I advise you work this out fast and get on with real life quickly.

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You never took her in video? Why? I bet she is doing adult shows in vid and you were too cheap to find out, how long can you keep your head in the sand?

I would say a bit of jealousy of other members is natural. When I am in love with a girl I can get jealous of anyone who is with her when I can't be. What is dangerous is when your jealousy starts to make you doubt her. To me these sort of posts show the difference between male and female thinking. Guys always seem so bothered about what the girl they love does in her adult shows. In fact if she is in adult the more time she spends stripping the better. You will never lose her to the members who come to vid and immediately demand she gets naked. If you are going to worry it should be about the guys who spend ages chatting with her where there is a possibility of a genuine relationship developing.
You have to learn to accept that what she does here is work and make it clear to her that you accept it. If you start to push her about what she does or does not do in shows she may feel pressured into lying to you about it because she is scared of losing you. Do not doubt her unless she gives you reason to. And I mean genuine reasons. If you are always looking for reasons it is always possible to find them.

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Well in my opinion the most important thing for a woman (i mean about her appearance) is to be groomed. Hair, skin,always neat clothes..And there is one saying that is i think very true-if a woman is not beautiful after 30 yo then she doesn't want to be beautiful.To be beautiful we just have to look after ourselves.This is my opinion:)

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I agree totally Anne. I've seen some beautiful looking girls here who have been very unbeautiful to talk to. Beauty isn't just skin deep it is within too and these are the girls I talk to outside of CC.

i am always trying to reach a woman's true inner beauty....with my dick!!! lol

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Gorty i was speaking only about physical appearance>U missunderstuud.

I sad it before, I'll say it again, beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder

Give me back my beer! lol

ready for the schmaltz.beauty,like love,is a many splendoured thing & is in the eye of the beholder but the beginning comes from within heart & soul.

It is woman's natural desire to be beautiful, her calling and her weak spot (never say her she's not beautiful even if she tells u she has that or this lack) I agree that if the person really does love you then they will see you as beautiful no matter what. But if a woman continue to be capricious about her appearance, let it be so, bcoz it's her privilege :D ...the only thing what she wants to hear is that u really love her as she is.
A beautiful woman is a shining woman. That shines comes from inside and has a pulling power, so when she smiles it is the most beautiful smile (even though her teeth ain't ideal) When she laughs it is the most pleasant tune for u, when she looks at you, u can sink in the depth of her eyes. That's why u may find any romantic poem describing beauty of the woman who that poet is in love with and it fits to ANY woman in the world who U love! :P

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AniAngel,

Wow! This place is turning into a Philosophy Forum! Two philosophical questions in a row: What is happiness and now What is beauty. The question about happiness is difficult and a bit elusive, but the question of beauty even more so. More often than not discussions about beauty are limited to two basic thoughts: 1) The subjective nature of beauty and 2) Outer vs. inner beauty.

As regards the first line of thinking, well worn expressions such as "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...With taste there is no quarreling, etc." are often used to answer the question, but at bottom they fail to do so. In effect, such statements suggest that the question of beauty is entirely subjective and therefore cannot be answered. This of course forecloses the possibility of identifying any objective elements by which to evaluate beauty. Thus if you like a certain painting and I do not, the case is closed on the grounds that it all boils down to individual taste. We therefore stop short of analyzing aspects of beauty, both its outward manifestation and its hidden underpinnings.

The second line of thinking usually sets up an either/or dichotomy between inner and outer beauty. The high minded usually dismiss outer beauty in favor of what they call “true” or “real” beauty. But are these two forms of beauty mutually exclusive? And is physical beauty to be dismissed (or denied) as the inferior step child of real beauty, which always springs from within? Again, as with the well-worn expressions above, one can make many convincing arguments, but they don’t get us where want to go. The dialogue stops well short of answering the question, “What is beauty?” Rather than attempting to get to the essence of the question, it simply asserts that one form of beauty is the “true” beauty and the other is not. (It is curious, indeed ironic, that most people think of those with beautiful souls, more 'substantial' than those who are only outwardly beautiful.) But there is no formal argument made. It is merely asserted. Once again, case closed and we are no closer to answering our question.

Truth is, as some here have suggested, both outer (physical) and inner (spiritual) beauty are instances of beauty. So rather than regard one as real and the other as mere appearance and therefore bogus, why not ask if we can identify any elements that outer and inner beauty hold in common? After all, we do use the same word to describe both its outer and inner manifestations.

So, do a beautiful body and a beautiful soul share common elements? I believe they do. I think Gorty hit on one such element when she mentioned “harmony.” Is there not something harmonious and consonant about a beautiful body, just as there is in a beautiful soul? Another thought is from the American poet Edna St. Vincent Millay, who wrote, “Euclid alone looked on beauty bare,” which suggests that the essence of beauty is to be found in its underlying structures, more specifically geometric symmetry.

In sum, beauty has something to do with harmony and symmetry and we call something “beautiful” that is well ordered, i.e. harmonious and symmetrical. No doubt there are other elements (e.g. balance) that are common to inner and outer beauty. Any thoughts?

maybe beauty & happiness are actually entwined.beauty in all its forms makes us happy & happiness makes us & is beautiful...

There's no doubt that beauty can be uplifting and the ugly a burden. I know that when I am in a beautiful environment, surrounded by beautiful architecture, I feel good and when I am in an ugly and soulless place, like an ugly suburb, I have a physical and emotional aversion to it!

Likewise, when I am around people who are happy and satisfied, their spirit has a positive effect on me, whereas the opposite is true when I am around unhappy people. Those who are genuinely happy exude an undeniable beauty. So, yes, there is obviously some relationship between beauty and happiness.

And how about "truth?" What relation, if any, does it have to beauty and/or happiness?

WOW :D ...i always feel so silly reading your posts, Melomane :D ....could u consider my offer to learn russian, please?...i would help =))

Spasibo preskrasnaya Nadeen :) When is my first lesson?

It is right now :) ....u misspelled one word :P ...correct is "prekrasnaya" :))
Next lesson will be tomorrow :D

Popa :) Did I speill it right ? :P

finally, INYF! :)) ....it took u half a year to remember this simple word :P
congratulations! :D

he is achieving his aim.a good communicator speaks so his audience can understand.

lol Just stick to reading my posts Nadeen then you can feel really intelligent.

Oh by the way when is my next English lesson ?

your silly crap posts u mean? :D




































your next English lession will be tonight in my room, preferably in one2one :D.....unless u want other pupils around in the open class =))

in all honesty, i saw the most beautiful woman i have ever had the honor of seeing on this site. she has an amazing body. but it's her personality that i just find irresistible. she's funny. great to talk to. very easy to talk to. a lot of the so-called beautiful people in this world are like fairy tales, not real. the woman i speak of is real, genuinely a woman. she's down to earth, she's on earth. she is the type of woman that guys like me fall in love with . that, to me, is beautiful.

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yes, i would choose the second type and help him to keep his clothes always neat :D ...as for his belly, it doesnt really matters, in 9 months i would have a big belly too =))

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you're wrong :P ...i MEAN it :D

and btw, don't apologise that much....im sure nobody is offended :)) ....look at me: im being rude saying that if u fall in love with only tits and ass or something else except personality, then u are a fool - and nobody gets offended =))

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Now you're calling me a fool Nadeen :(

I know you won't date me but would your tits like to go out with me ? :D

i remember u called yourself a shallow pervert and bastard ... so accept it like a compliment, u little fool :D

C if the girls would choose your No 2) I wouldn't need to spend every waking moment on this site :D

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Happiness is a chick with her legs spread...

happiness is a warm gun....

a song by Ken Dodd?

happiness will continue to abide in our lives

....try the Beatles

Happiness is a Warm Puppy -- Charles Schulz

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Happiness Is A warm Gun was only John Lennon. McCartney was not that perverted.

. . . laying in bed, naked, holding Nadeen gently in my arms.

happiness is being with the right person

if i stand in front of the mirror it cracks

knowing you my lady

happiness is a two way thing .you give it and recieve it.
sadness is when you give but nothing comes back . A one way road to hell.

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Pamella,

Your question is one of the biggies---one of the perennial philosophical questions. In fact, St. Augustine said, "Man has no reason to philosophize, except with a view to happiness."

I don't agree that happiness is something to be found only in the moment, or the present. Although I do agree with you that we only live, strictly speaking, in the moment. We cannot change the past and we can never be sure of the future, but it seems to me that true happiness must abide and can't be such a fleeting thing like a "mood" , so fragile that it cannot stand up to disappointments.

Having said that, it is certainly true that our happiness can be dashed by tragedy and that is why Sophocles said, "Let no man's life be counted happy until he is dead." We could be happy for 98% of our lives, but struck with a tragic blow at the end. And few could remain happy in such a circumstance.

Happiness is certainly hard to define, but it is clearly something we all value as a supreme good. Aristotle claims happiness is the greatest of all goods, because it is an end in itself and it is the thing toward which so many other goods aim. He says, for example, people pursue wealth (or fame or honors) in order to be happy, but no one pursues happiness in order to be wealthy. Happiness is the final aim. Without going into his whole argument Aristotle offers a definition of happiness. He says it is "an activity of the soul in conformity with virtue."

Thanks for posting this question for our consideration.

Strange you mention St. Augusine. The other day I was wondering what his view of CC would be. Considering in one of his prayers he asks to be granted chastity, but not yet. He'd probably be a viewer until his prayers were answered I suppose.

Lol JC! "Lord make me chaste, but not yet." That has always been one of my favorite lines of Augustine too! In fact, there is a wonderful new translation of the "Confessiones" by Garry Wills. Wills' commentary is also wonderful and enlightening. Wills says it is really wrong to translate the Latin "Confessiones" as Confessions, since for the modern reader the word "confession" conveys a kind of tell-all baring of one's soul, like when we speak of the "confessional poets." However, he says the word really is best translated as "Testimony," since confessiones really means to give voice or testimony about a matter of belief. This is the way the Nicene Creed uses the word in the line, "Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum." ("I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins.")

I think Augustine is often thought of as some dusty religious figure whose thinking was largely narrow and pious invocations of God's name and a lot of breast beating for human sinfulness. Surely there is some of that. It was the 4th century after all! But the "Confessiones" is extraordinarily rich and broad in its sweep. Indeed in Book One his thoughts on language and language development are still regarded as important and insightful in the field of Linguistics. So, he was a heavy dude!---though I'm sure his fellow churchmen did not address the Bishop of Hippo as "Dude," probably "Excellency Dude." lol!

But who cares to read Augustine in this age when they could be reading something much more edifying---like NY Post stories about Brittany and J-Lo! God help us!

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit

It's all bollocks if you ask me

Glass, Since you offered your opinion, will you be so kind as to say what, precisely, is all "bullocks?" Do you mean the question itself, that the question doesn't matter? I assume you desire happiness for yourself like everyone else, right? And assuming that is true, are you saying that the question of your own personal happiness is just a part of the "bullocks?" I ask you this in earnest. I am not being sarcastic.

P.S. Engineers' joke: Guy #1: the glass is half empty. Guy #2: the glass is half full. Engineer: you guys have the wrong size glass. Cheers :)

peace of mind=happiness for me.

. . . laying in bed, naked, holding XPAMELLAX gently in my arms.

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pardon?

back :) hope your old and some new return to you soon!

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can someone tell me what "lift & carry" is?

try looking at the comments in their personal forum under the old name sexanal for an explanation

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Brilliant

That was last Tuesday. Did you miss it?

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I stepped on a piece, thought it was gum and tossed it out the car window. It was on the side of the road, but I think a bird picked it up and flew off.

Lol Sara Bellum....I love your name, btw. :)

mmmm--barb --white dress---and by the way if you dye your hair color red you might not forget so much--just a suggestion hehe--cool and you are a verly lovely lady

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Gorty, You have for some days now remarked that Spring has arrived where you are. I have always assumed you are in Russia. Are you further South?--Ukraine perhaps? Here (mid-Atlantic US) winter is still upon us; indeed it snowed yesterday. And the flower and bird--crocus and the robin--that signal the arrival of Spring have yet to be seen. Just a matter of weeks, however. All the best! :)

lower NY we have had days just like spring. beautiful warm sun, birds singing, birds stealing my cats food, but then the next day SNOW! it is crazy weather here!

Winter still grips the mid-Atlantic states therefore Gortensia is in the Ukraine. I'm still scratching my head on this one.

I meant that I cannot imagine Spring being in bloom in Russia, but perhaps further South, like the Ukraine. My remark about Mid Atlantic US was independent of my curiosity about her location.:)

International Women's Day (8 March) is an occasion marked by women's groups around the world.
When women on all continents, often divided by national boundaries and by ethnic, linguistic, cultural, economic and political differences, come together to celebrate their Day, they can look back to a tradition that represents at least nine decades of struggle for equality, justice, peace and development.
International Women's Day is the story of ordinary women as makers of history; it is rooted in the centuries-old struggle of women to participate in society on an equal footing with men. In ancient Greece, Lysistrata initiated a sexual strike against men in order to end war; during the French Revolution, Parisian women calling for "liberty, equality, fraternity" marched on Versailles to demand women's suffrage.

HAVE A GREAT DAY LADIES!! HOPE YOU ALL WILL TAKE THE DAY OFF TODAY!!!

A 90 year effort for the Socialist/Communist parties to co-opt women's issues. Thankfully, it finally turned into a day of flowers and hugs.

thank you:*:*:*
Im gonna get really really really DRUNK!!!!!!!!

Kate...not without me

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Happy Womans Day to all of our beautiful host!!!

Which russian women went swimming on the Moscow River to celebrate??

PFFT! Whatever....

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Both of these opinions are absolutely exiting! No coments. That`s just the best -))))))

everyone should respect everyone no matter what they do,where they are from,how rich or poor they are.it doesn't matter.respect goes a long way in making you a better person.show respect and you will in turn be shown respect.

wrong.

just because you show respect towards someone does not mean you will recieve it in return. the same goes for other aspects such as kindness, generosity, compassion etc etc.. with the possibly exception of negative aspects such as anger, hate etc.

if you believe that people will treat you how you treat them (with regards to respect and other positive aspects) then you're gonna be disappointed =-/

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I want peace on earth and good will towards fellow man...(toothpaste smile, fake tear, try not to fart on stage)

I agree with Anne also. Respect is a mutual thing. If you do not give someone respect you should not expect them to return it. Respect is something that is earned with how you are with people, not something that is automatic. Of course you are going to run across those in life who are only about themselves and will not show others respect, compassion, caring or understanding.

Q,

You bring up an important question that is not discussed enough. CC does its part by posting standards of decorum, but as we all know this doesn't stop some from hurling insults and ignoring a basic regard for respecting one another. If someone disagrees with us, it is not a justification for attacking that person personally. Sadly too many apparently think it is!

You are not the first, of course, to bring up this important topic. See, for example, the 12 Feb post by "a friend:) " and the 13 Feb post by "why can't everyone be nice???" In the former "friend" posted his (her?) displeasure with someone's rank criticism of a non-English speaker's English skills and her appearance. His complaint was warranted, but ironically he proceeded to call such posters "trash...fleas..etc." The irony apparently escaped him. What’s more, having set the tone for the thread, a Jerry-Springer-style mud slinging contest ensued.

As regards your observation re: the mutual disrespect you see in both directions, I would simply observe I do not believe it is 50-50. From my experience as a guest and having spoken about this subject with many hosts, my sense is there is more disrespect coming from guests than the other way around. This is not because hosts are inherently more virtuous or well-mannered than guests. It is a function of the economic reality here---which you touch on in your brief synopsis of both arguments that both sides use to justify their lack of simple respect for the 'other.'

Many guests—sadly many of whom are my fellow Americans---feel because they are the “payers” this gives them the right to be abusive to the host. As they see it, they have just bought the services of a “ho” who is a mere animated commodity for their amusement or masturbatory fantasy. What they fail to realize is that they too are a part of the equation. They may fancy that they are enjoying the perverse pleasure of degrading a woman, but they are entirely oblivious to how they are likewise degraded. One perceptive host told me that among the “stupid” and most maddening questions posed by the run-of-the-mill idiots that patronized her was, “What’s a nice girl like you doing working here?” Realizing, of course, that income was at stake, she did not express her outrage, but did occasionally respond by saying, “Well, what are YOU doing here?”

It seems to me that in all human relations we need not respect people for what they do or what they think, but we are bound to respect each for what we are: human beings. There is no getting around that. We can call each other vulgar, dehumanizing names [which has always been the mark of hateful, racist, sexist, xenophobic language], but after all the dust is settled, the object of our hatred is no less human than ourselves. And to deny that person’s (or group’s) humanity [yes even someone as repugnant as Hitler] is to deny our own.

Well the irony did not escape me, and it was actually out of character for me to respond in that manner, but at that point of time I was sick and tired of those who felt the need to belittle someone because of their language skills, intelligence or whatever other choice of the day there is! Nice to see you read my posts though. :) Hope you have enjoyed the others.

It's always a pleasure to read thoughtful comments.

Yes, even I have noticed a few more gems amongst the rough ;)

It is nice to have reasoned debate in the forums once is a while and not constant bashing of a persons, race, country, language skills etc etc. I do recall , long time back now, I made a particularly vitriolic stand against the most overt forms of bigotry seen on CC. Followed immediately but trolls trying to set fire to more threads in an attempt to wind me up, something that has yet to occur. If only for the one simple reason that anyone with such abhorrent views never dare actually stand up and be judged for their supposed opinions.

That being said, in terms of respect, I think we all deserve it if we've earned it. Just a question of showing true colours and fessing up to who you really are. I always make it a point to let people know I appreciate them being straight with me after all.

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we are still around. :) nice to see a post from you :) long time between appearances i have noticed

Ahhh well that is because I have become a cybergypsy don't you know ;)

Nah, just don't have too much time to spend here really. Other things demand my attention and I am quite sure things tick along quite happily without me. Haven't yet had any pleas for my acerbic wit quite yet. Besides, Melomane seems chatty enough for all of us, about time someone way I think.

Y'all have a nice weekend y'hear? I know I shall endeavour to enjoy the same.

TNTRIANGAA

self-respect is where all respect comes from.if you have this you will respect others.that doesn't mean you have to agree or like them or things they do just respect them.if you have self-respect it's not as important what others think of you.don't crave respect from others earn it with deeds & action.

Amen. As Gandi once said, the greatest struggle is not outside ourselves but within our own breasts.

*Gandhi

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stay around and u'll see thouse nice people that are waiting for ya :))aka...Frank the smelly

i was wondering where that smell was coming from :)
good luck with your time here! wish you lots of $$$ and not so many franks! :D

welcome! hope you have a great time while you are here and have lots of fun.don't let the rude members get to you.keep on smiling and i'm sure you will really enjoy your time here.

First look may be decieving.

second look maybe......

I should get a Ford Five Hundred. :D

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very funny hahaha

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ET, I'm not surprised it didn't work for you. I think a subtler approach with the boss might have been more effective---something like, "I know how much you value my..mmm..."work"...and I told your wife today---without giving any details---that I just know you are going to give me a raise." :)

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good one :D

This is hillarios :))))) Great joke :))))

Yeah, I'm alive too :))))

UA, Reminds me of the one about the blind man who passing the fish market one morning says, "Good morning ladies."

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