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I just hope the people who've had their hearts broken find the strength to try again. When love doesn't work out it can hurt terribly, but when it does ... sigh -- life doesn't get better then that. Remember it happens, and it doesn't matter where you meet. I've been broken hearted many times with women who never heard of Cam Contacts. To the broken hearted I hope for you to find new loves in the new years, ones to make you forget all past loves and let you see why you risk your hearts. Early best wishes to all for a new year of joy.

Yep, we never know until we try. Otherwise we could end up sitting in our rooms and making love with our PCs...lol. To find someone or something we must act. And NO ONE is insured of making mystakes. But they teach us to be smarter and wiser and more careful but there is no other way to get experience. Life always moves on and gives us a chances every moment. But if we stopped it means we're losing our chances to find what we are looking for. We have such a saying in Russia, but I guess it can be international..."who never takes a risk, will never drink a champagne" which means, if we stop trying, we can't have a chance to celebrate a victory.
If we are too scared by our previous bad experiences and prefer to avoid a new ones, we could never meet our love or whatever we want to have in this life. The meaning of life is to try again and again and again until we are happy, each time when we are looking for love, for job, for anything...and of course if you are a scientist who wants to prove his theory :) All we need is to get over our disappointments, to grow up and go on. Life is unpredictable AT ALL, and that's why is wonderful...otherwise it will be grey and too boring.
So, my wish and advice to a broken hearts is "DON'T STOP!"

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Or, once bitten; twice shy.
dunno if I'll bother with all that shit again.

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Thank you too, CrazyFruits :)
Best of luck!

I think what you said is one of the best things
I have ever read anywhere!
Thankyou Laughing girl! :)

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love and treat yourself with respect and i promise...you shall live to love another day

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there was a host of the year award? wtf....i didnt get nominated.... :((

imshy ur boobs arent as hot as abovexbeyond's ;)

probably doesn't play bingo as well either

lol...war...

We all have trouble finding out who won the contest. CC has done a horrendous job of publicizing the results. I only see a couple lines of nondescript text on the opening page that links to the Winners' Page. I NEVER go to the opening page, I'm directly linked deeper into the site as any of us regulars would be.

In honor of all the decorating that so many of the girls did in their rooms and the extra hours many of them worked one would think that the afterglow of the event would last a lot longer.

Haven't any of CC's staff studied marketing? Aren't they milking this all across the net for all it's worth?

there's alink right on the homepage that's click here

you get to see the whole list and what they won or perhaps you were expecting to find thast PR deep into the site as opposed to the main page where most people enter

you could say you met him over internet, it shouldnt be a shame, just for detaills say something like "we met on a Travel group in yahoo" or on some holidays websites, and they cant say its a bad thing if both of you were registred on those type of websites-)

Honestly, in my eyes, it is no big deal to say: "we just met on the net". There are thousand of ways these days to get to know each other on the net by chat. You might say, well, first we met on a web chat, later we got to know each other more deeply on instant messenger. Seems to be a normal thing in this world.

Meeting on the net is so easy these days that those words shouldn't scare anybody. You will also print out all your Yahoo chats and all your e-mails and give them to the interviewer as part of your proofs. It sound wierd but some friends of mine gave over 300 pages of their Yahoo chats. It's quite a proof.

Of course you have real letters and cards and photos and ticket stubs and on and on.

The officials are not normally so interested in how you first made contact as in the genuineness of the relationship. Evidence of real life meetings is more important.

yes the specialist has got it right....proof of meeting and evidence of a real relationship(chat thanscirpts,phone bills,boarding passes,etc) works just fine.....and most embassies and their consulates are quite aware that many many people are now meeting on the internet....doesnt surprize anyone anymore...or it shouldnt anyway...lol

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uh...Ori im just curious.....in what countries would i be responsible for taking a virgins virginity?....im planning a trip soon...and those countries sound like they might be most interesting

Hmmmm. Everyone here assumed a host, not a member, wrote this. Reading what I wrote, I can see how people can think this, but I said things like "you could say", not "I could say".

Anyway, as a member and a guy, lol, I was just thinking about the future. Thank you for your replies. I still think, however, that an embassy official may decide to ask for more details about exactly how and when you met as he investigates how the relationship started and grew. And if this happens, I still don't know the best way to handle such a question. If asked point blank "You met on the internet. Fine. How and when? What site?" I don't know if things would happen this way, but one never knows, and lying can always come back to haunt you.

NO. It is not the big concern. From experience I can say the BIGGEST concern is the depth and extent of the proofs you offer. The print-outs of the chats, e-mails, photos together, etc., etc. are all they want.

The initial meeting is far down the list. It is the relationship they care about. In fact, a friend was in the embassy for their interview (successfull, I may add) and they overheard one girl's meeting with the staff.

All she had was a wedding certificate, ring and photo from the wedding. She thought these were the magic ticket. Beyond those things she had nothing. No other photos together, no letters, no phone records or e-mails and she couldn't answer any of the basic questions about his job, his family where they would live or anything personal about him. They turned her away. The proofs are the paramount thing.

I had assumed from your original post that you were a member. As you clearly are not familar with the visa application procedure I wonder why you think they will be so obsessed with how you first came into contact. In the unlikely event that you were asked to name the site it should not be a particullar problem to say it was camcontacts. After all this site does havenon-adult categories. However what they will focus on is the strength of your actual relationship. Meetings in real and evidence that it is of long duration are the key things.

meeting online means nothing and is of no value. you have to prove that you met in person at the very minimum.

You might find the stories and advice on visajourney dot com interesting, even if you are just asking as a casual question (i.e., don't have a specific girl in mind yet). From everything I've heard ( = friends who have done this, or have friends who have) what everyone else has written is correct: exactly how you first made contact is not so important, the depth and extent of your relationship is VERY important. Transcripts of IM chats, emails, photos together in her country (particularly from more than one visit, with her family, not just at a table in a bar) phone bills, are all evidence of that. There are reasons for denying a visa, but just thinking that she's a gold digger or you're a love-crazed fool are not among them (thank God for all of us). The consular staff have to follow the rules too, so don't let them intimidate you or her.

and thanks to everyone else too

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If she is just looking for a tourist visa it is best she not mention you at all. Going on vacation to meet your sweetheart is a red flag for embassy staff. Just tell her to say she is coming for tourism and leaving when her visit is over.

If you want to marry her and apply for a fiancee visa take my advice. Have her apply for a student visa instead. Junior college. Degree program. Front her the money for tuition and room and board. Once she arrives and takes courses for a few months marry her. It is so much easier to change status from student to married than to get a fiancee visa. Like pulling teeth and you have to wait forever. Student visa is fairly straight forward. Again she should not mention you at all. With a fiancee visa you have to marry in six months upon arrival so this gives you a little more time to live together and think it over.

That's my advice and I am sticking to it.

Actually. with the Fiancee Visa you must marry within 60 days, not six months.

if a guy really did fall in love with a host, he would pack up and move to her country to be with her.

And how would he support her? Learning the language, and having a skill that can earn enough money to live by middle-class western standards is not that common. Do you think all western guys are independently wealthy?

Oh, I get it, you want him to live off her cc wages.

well Georgia fan--we tried, i agree the ref's didnt throw those flags on pass interference, but heck, we lost it on Ange throwing that interception (TWICE) well always next year

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In this case it's true and even if Russia didn't beat the US in other ways, they send their girls as secret agent chat hosts to conquer American men's hearts.

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They create wonderful agents of influence.

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SO THAT WAS WHY SHE ALWAYS USED TO TYPE IN CAPS? JEEZ....AND I THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE SHE WAS A RUGGED INDIVIDUALIST! I GUESS I GAVE HER A LITTLE TOO MUCH CREDIT...STILL LIKED HER POSTS, THOUGH, CAPS OR NO CAPS. She's definitely different, and has a big heart. Never visited her, by the way.

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Lol Ori, u remind me of my exbf, his favourite word is REALX. All i heard was RELAX, RELAX, USPOKOISYA)) LOL)) Im shaken when i hear this word=))

Relax, Relax When You want to get too it, Relax , Relax when you wantta cum....

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THE OLD ORI IS BACK!!!

LONG LIVE CC!!! LONG LIVE ORI!!! LONG LIVE CAPS!!!

(Well actually, I hate caps, but I like when Ori does it.)

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yeaH!

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Hot for Teacher? If he's not married, go for it after the semester.

Give him sex every chance you get and don't ask anything in return.

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he's married, try respecting that.

Meet him in his kabinett after class....;)

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Give him the blowjob of his life after class :D

You'll get a 10 for a grade ;))

thats what i say too---fuck it

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Ori, Ori, Ori....you know....I really love you.....even when you make no sense, but I always still seem to understand what you're saying. I agree...it is kind of pathetic, how some guys "fall in love"and then cry about it when they get taken to the cleaner's. Maybe it's just nature's old trick to make us having babies. I want to say though, that if my girlfriend really broke my heart, which I know she won't...but if it happened....I would not cry about it here....

Axterix its good to hear that you wouldnt be complaining about your heart ache hear,,so glad, so glad, hated to seen a 2 page statement everyday from your words that you write here and besides you better stick to your one love you have, by the way why are you here, shouldnt you be out sharing your life with your love instead here sharing your words with us

A lad in my school got it on with a (married with kids) female teacher. The lad had one finger that was wider at the top than his others.

I wonder if that was how he did it.

why u don t let him know about it?
like this u see what u have to do:
if he love his familly he will not pay attention to u...(hurt but can happen) lol
and then u have to just forget him...
now u just think "maybe can be something between us or maybe not"
kisssssss

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Ahhh that sounds cool)) Go for it girl)) U got a chance, maybe he isnt married anymore;)

no ring for a month and she has his phone number, interesting this could be quite the soap opera. please keep us upto date

which are they? rude or funny

what?? another list i get left off of?? WTF?!?!

What?xPUNISHERx on cc again??

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Good thing it is easy to change names here, lol.

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Freaked out)

Why do u mind?

how dare u put me in the same category as them..im so much more ruder and so much less funny...btw..u forgot dave :p

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who are those people you talking about origami--what category are those girls in

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i check in comchat and didnt see them or you in there

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thank you Ori...i was wondering why "young lady lover charlie"...was not on the list....i guess Origami and me are the only ones laughing when i make idiotic comments...oh well....maybe next year ill be a nominee in the CC funny man awards....kiss you Ori

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finally....you stop talking long enough for me to give you a big kiss

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i think tame panther loves me..............there is no other explanation i can think of for such behavior

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just check out her ping pong show if you don't believe!

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Thanks for your reply but these links don't help me, they only convert between Western Europe, US, UK, Japan etc. I need Eastern Europe/Moldova sizes....

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That's great, thanks. Alta Vista just came up with "organisational ability" but it is apparent form your definition that the word is used in a broadly artistic context rather than 'organisation' per se.

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Thanx...she is not "bad" at all, just misdirected by the $$$$. I have adored her so much and feel the same right now and I thought she felt the same way about me. And to move on....to what? There is no other like my Olya. :(

Think about it, how must she feel inside having to have a job like this. Where she has to be a confidence trickster to get good money because she cannot get a well paid job elsewhere. It's short term gains here always for Chathosts.

You are charitable thats all and not desperate for her attentions as your first post may read. Sure you probably feel hurt and used but no need to feel sad or bitter. Think of it this way she probably sees all men as money machines and lucky for you found out early. Imagine those poor sods who marry these types of women. They are the real fools.

Surely you want a woman who can make you feel and become better and not one who will drag you down. With her you saw clarity before it was too late and will know from experience not to go for this type of woman again :)

Agree with you somewhat ET. I still believe she is sincere and of course needs money to live as we all do and in the end, why she is here. Maybe it's me and my lack of understanding. Maybe I will never know the answers. Maybe it really doesn't matter...in the end. She was my friend, my sweetheart, my love, real or imagined. I know this...I am quite saddened right now because I will never be with her again (and a dose of self-pity). She was such a joy to be with and I will miss her very much...my friend, my sweetheart. my love.

So, feeling a bit of self-pity....don't feel bad about that...we all feel sorry for ourselves from time to time.But from reading your posts I know that you're mature enough to realize that you're not a victim. "She" did not create this, you did it to yourself...and that is part of the lesson we all have to learn. The good news, my friend, is that despite the sense of loss you feel right now....having the heart you seem to have....there's someone around the corner that will make you very happy....I think the odds are good of that. Just do yourself a favor; if you're over 40....don't look for someone too close to half your age....know what I mean?

She isnt bad, she came here to earn money, and ofc money is the main reason of her being on this site. So what did u expect?

do i really need to spell the answer out to you? muppet

No I don't think you do. Sharmouta seems to have understood the situation to perfection.

well she certainly does sound like Miss Piggy

Kermit, does your finger still have that fishy smell? :P

There will be many sweet Olias in your life if you let them in.
And if it makes ou feel better .. make sure everyone has been in your situation and put efforts, time and money into a non sense relationship. Me too :)))

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I have felt good to have helped here in this way. I am a forgiving person. As to whether she reads this Forum...I doubt it. I am a better man for helping her situation as well as having her as an acquaintance. I never thought it would come to this, though.

well, I am really glad to know you have such a large heart, ShyBobby. No need to regret of good things have been done for someone. I am often thinking why is that we people tend to regret of good things we ever did for someone? There is nothing could grow from bad seeds, but when doing something good for others we have a double result for our own soul and for someone's. Think about it, it is not about money only...
You are definitely not a fool and I dont think you are a buffoon :)
I hope all will be great in your life :)

You know, laughing girl, you're really such a nice person, and you make such beautiful, compassionate posts. Sometimes I wish I knew who you were. I don't even know what you look like, so even if you were a 200 lbs man in Pittsburgh, I might still fall in love w. you. Luckily, for both of us, but especially for you, my heart is already taken....but I really respect you as a person...kisses

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"Sometimes I wish to gather all the nice men from here and make them one man and make him mine...lol...joking!"

By any chance...is your last name Frankenstein? ;P

loool...no!
I am just a dreamer sometimes...not sure which anolog I have in literature...but I definitely know what is my last name and which man I want in my real life :P

I was gonna post something nice back to you, but the trolls hanging out here would ask us to get a room, so I won't give them the satisfaction. Anyway, Im just glad you're here.

lol...ok ;)
Call me if you need any help :D

Hey don't lump all us trolls together. Trolls have feelings too you know :(

As for getting a room together. Please don't as some of us trolls are also voyeurs :P

Why I feel so parental feeling to you now...wanting to spank you mildly?...hmmm :)

For a troll a spanking is a dream come true :D

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Oh I think I'm falling in love :)

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...for hearing me. Time will heal this wound I believe. I harbor no grudges.
There is only one Olya for me.... my friend, my sweetheart, my love.
I wish her well in her ambitions.
Too bad she will never read this or appreciate how deeply I feel about her and how important she was in my life.

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You write such comforting words for me to think about. Maybe you are correct. Right now though I am not good.

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yeah, but you're a chick.
honestly now, as a chick, when you come across a guy acting the way that "shybobby" is now acting, don't you find it a little repulsive?

i feel myself important when man act so

It's why some people never tell others about their favorite restaurants. If they become famous it's impossible to give the same service as before.

Some guys just don't rate their favorite hosts and never mention them in the forums. It's happened to me before that someone else discovered her and mentioned her a lot (or she became active on her own in the forums/commchat) and then she is so busy she CAN'T pay attention to her old friends.

Precisely what happened. Because of my greed I would not rate her at all...she asked why, I told her I did not "want to share" and she says she doesn't care about the ratings, "I do not want to be popular". Yeah right. So I rate her 5's and soon she is at the top. Here I am "the buffoon of the year". Erect a statue for me titled "The World's Biggest Fool".

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i don't think it's in his nature to do so, but you couldn't be more right.

Sounds like both of you were playing a game. She's here for money, but you won't rate her so she cannot do better? And she of course played you so you could coming back.

I've never thought about not rating someone that I like as a person to keep her for myself... I've always tried to help them make more money if possible from others and would just hope that they really cared about me too. The result... Sometimes I've been burned after spending a lot of money in private like you, and sometimes I've been rewarded with lasting friendships.

I think you need to be less selfish and try to help your friends instead of worrying about "sharing". At the same time of course, try to be more careful in terms of whom you consider to be your friends. (A good test by the way is how much a host is willing to talk to you outside of video. Not a perfect test, but a good one.)

Good luck.

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Love is about being selfless not selfish. And I've felt that I was in love or very close emotionally to a host before here and still at least rated the host with 5 stars and sometimes post things in the forum too.

A member in love with a host should ask her to retire from sites and get a job that does not involve meeting guys and give her some money to help her if he can since she will probably be making less money someplace else or should accept that this is her job and this is how they met and that is the way things are until they are together.

What have I done? I just try not to think about what the girl is doing when I am around and accept the situation for what it is. Until I am wiling to help her so she does not need to work here, it is not my place to tell her what to do if this is the best place for her to survive.

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"A member in love with a host should ask her to retire from sites and get a job that does not involve meeting guys and give her some money to help her ."

NO!!!!

A member who has affection (don't call it love unless there have been real life meetings) should understand that this is her job and he has no role to play with her in cc. He has no right to ask her to quit or change categories.

If he truly cares about her he should arrange to go meet her in person to see if they have any spark together. Even then it should be her choice to quit cc or not and there should be NO MONEY involved. That's for after they're married or living together. LOL

I said he should ask her, not order her, and I think it is perfectly okay to discuss any issue in a relationship that affects the relationship.

I understand your concerns about not meeting yet and bringing money into the picture, but this is an usual situation. And one way would perhaps be for the member to accept what is going on until they do meet, and once he feels the relationship will last, he can "invest" not just his love but his money too, just like he does when he sees her in video, buys gifts, et cetera.

I am not saying to buy her or use money to keep her away from other guys, by the way. I am saying that if her job makes him uncomfortable and she is willing to find another job, then he should help her if he can.

The one time I had a long relationship on a site, the person did not strip most of the time so I was able to deal with it and just tried to not think about the fact that the woman I loved was being intimate with other men. Her job never really became a problem because I felt that there was not anyone else in her life. And by the way, she wasn't too happy that I had a bunch of friends that were hosts from before we met so it does work both ways.

One last thought for members. While you might not life your girlfriends working on a site, at least you know where they are, lol. Between school and work, hosts are very busy. You help them with money to get another job like being a waitress, she has a lot more opportunity to meet guys.... in REAL life. Just a word of caution, lol.

That is a VERY good point. A host that I know tried to work in a regular job. By the second day, her manager was literally stalking her...after a week she decided not to go back. He could get away with it, because in that country had she even tried to protest, she would have been the one loosing face. Very sad, actually, to see someone try so hard and then some piece of phlegm comes along and ruins it for her...

Of course, if a girl really loves you, it would not matter where she works....she'll stick with you. Still, you're bringing up an issue that many people in the UK, US and other "developed" countries seem to forget about....in some countries many women don't have much choice. Here in the West, an perhaps especially the US, with our wonderful, albeit hypocrithical puritan ethics, we're told to think about women who take off their clothes for money as being "sluts." If there's a pretty woman, having the choice between stripping on cam with nobody touching her, versus getting banged by her boss in order to keep her day job, nobody should put her down for working on a site like this. Just thought I 'd expand on your comment.

But I know more than one guy that thought the "allowance" he sent meant she was his and that she owed him. Another girl gladly accepted the allowance and then simply worked on another site without telling him. Money changes everything.

Sorry, but he said the same, no? "UNTIL THEY ARE TOGETHER", which means IN REAL.
I think its a natural thing when a man in love, he shouldn't want his woman to serve all the other men. And the same should feel a woman who wants to belong to the only one man. I am more than sure if that woman has the same love to him, it could be hard for her to continue serving others. Unless they both are happy to join such a sites, but I dont think it happens so often.
But yes, if a man isn't going to support her or acting somehow to help her to do what she'd like to, he certainly have no right to tell her where and how she have to work. But then he is not in love if so. Just declaring "I am in love" without real efforts to make things better and finally to be together is nothing but just a words and even probably a vile game.

Hi! ;)

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"A member in love with a host should ask her to retire from sites and get a job that does not involve meeting guys and give her some money to help her ."

I agree with you, critic, that this is not what most people here "should" do if they fall in love with someone here.

And I totally agree with you in that a guy does not have a right to tell his girlfriend what to do. If the relationship is serious, both should realize that working here is not a long term career anyway. But for those of us who truly loves someone working here, it is not always easy to accept...

On the other hand, if the girl insists on being "independent" and make her own money here...then she should not expect regular "money gifts" from her boyfriend. That's how I see it, although in my case my girl knows that I'm in her corner should she decide to decide to do something different, e.g. like pursuing an education. Just like she's sent me gifts and cares about my wellbeing, it is only natural that I want to do things for her.

However, putting someone on an "allowance" in order for the girl not to work here is an entirely different matter. To me, this sounds more like blackmail than anything else. The "boyfriend" of one the hosts I know about sent her an allowance that was even more than she was making here so she wouldn't have to work. As soon as he came to his senses, she went back to working.

I also wonder, if a host says she loves you, why would she expect you to be a regular viewer in her room, anyway? In any case, I try not to give too much advice, because people are all different, there's no "one size fits all" answer to this one. All we can do is share our own experiences and viewpoints.

I wonder if that's the guy I convinced to cut off his "girlfriend.". She was costing him a fortune and she kept asking for extras above the allowance.

Jeez, critic, I think you just made the record for the longest subject line! :P Anyway, I doubt it is the same guy, and I never met him in person. I DID meet this host, though, and to my knowledge she wasn't working on other sites. She wasn't a "bad" person at all and I think she only did what the guy wanted of her, so the blame is on him, if anybody has to be blamed. In my case, my girl won't even let me do that, and I guess I respect her for that, even if it is difficult sometimes.

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"A member in love with a host should ask her to retire from sites and get a job that does not involve meeting guys and give her some money to help her if he can since she will probably be making less money someplace else or should accept that this is her job and this is how they met and that is the way things are until they are together.
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I did that. Host said : "thanks now i can work less, i will move to a non adult category, you make me feel safe... yada yada yada".

What happened? she took the money, stayed on her category, and then started blaming me for her not having enough video because she had told every member she was not doing nudit, and of course shit started happening to her, needing more and more money evey month.

Now i was sending money, and i was the bad guy. Most of conversations turned into arguments about her needing more and i'm being a cheap bastard for sending only what she told me was enough for rent and food.

Funny thing, she never stopped stripping. All was a scam.

As relation deteriorated, i stopped even talking to her and later even changing all my accounts and mobile phone, home phone, e-mail, etc..

I am not sad about losing money, mostly about discovering how ungrateful she turned out to be. (and how stupid i was ;) to be honest.. self-steem was little brusied after this episode).

If other member has different experiences, i am very happy for him.

It's why I never send money, even if child is dying and mom needs operation. The money is for her only after we are married.

I've got to disagree, counselor. Yes, many of us have been scammed...and some hosts are truly world class actresses that would put any Hollywood actress to shame. However, if you truly love someone, and they love you back, and some tragic thing happens....then the fool would be the one who is able to help but chooses not to. If you are a reasonable intelligent person, then there are ways to discern wether or not she is telling the truth. For starters, if tragedy really strikes, she won't even be able to work on this site, or any site for that matter. I know this from experience.

That reminds me, years ago, before I came to cc, I met this Columbian host from another site. She emailed me months later, telling me that she quit her studio job and now worked in a factory. Single mom, two kids. Very beautiful...claimed she was in love with me. I wasn't really that smitten by her, but I felt sorry for her. We communicated mostly in Spanish, and my spanish is poor, but I enjoyed our interactions. So, I sent her some money to help her pay the rent. This happened again, and the next thing I knew she brought her kids to the internet cafe, another time her mom....
That's when I got a little spooked....and just before Christmas she told me how difficult things were...Christmas expenses, her oldest son's first communion....yada yada yada. I told her flat out that she must have been confusing me with the kid's father, and told her to cease contact with me. She stil emailed me for months....Who knows, maybe she was desperate...maybe she even did love me, although I sersiously doubt it. However, her bringing up Xmas shopping was the final straw, and I opened my eyes.

I'm relating this story only to show that I've been a fool as well, just like most guys on this site.

Still, I really believe if you have a REAL relationship with someone (like Critic says, not only affection, you've actually met in person), then you should be able to tell shit from granola, excuse my french.

Good that this topic keeps recurring, though...perhaps it can save some new members on this site from learning the hard way!

Any time anyone brings up "I want to give the kids a nice Christmas" I know to turn off the speaker. Christmas is NOT about gifts, it's about faith. And it's pretty obvious that girl was trying to suck you in.

NO ONE except a psycho truly falls into love on the net. Here you might develop a fondness, and even an infatuation, for someone, but at the most it should be merely a seed for something that must actually aprout in reality. I speak from experience.

exactly why some of us don't rate hosts or mention them in forums.

Goodbye my lover
Goodbye my friend
You have been the one
You have been the one for me

really sorry ((

Not the host posting, but obviously somebody had a problem with her. Unclear if she is the host shybobby is talking about.

sorry for typo

I don't think there is a space.It's just the way the letters sit together.

?? Actually there is no space....if you really need to prove it to yourself (and God knows life is really too short to bother) copy and paste it to somewhere you can generate a cursor and then experiment.

Of course, now I see he fell in love or at least got very close with a 19 year old and is surprised that she might act this way?

GUYS, IF THEY ARE UNDER ABOUT AGE 25, YOU ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE!!! YEAH, I KNOW THEY ARE HOT, BUT BE CAREFUL OR YOU WILL GET BURNED!!! Even the older ones are dangerous since they have learned more tricks, lol, but they are more ready, willing, and mature enough to have an adult relationship. THINK WITH THE RIGHT HEAD!!! (And yes, I've learned this the hard way, pardon the pun. :p)

The first thing you have to accept before going into a relationship, is that people change - and with that, their needs, their priorities and their tastes. I think it's common that the younger a person is, the faster all those things may change.

Just because yesterday you were the top priority of someone else, it doesn't mean you will be tomorrow. Things as "everlasting love" are, extremely rare.
Money is just one of the things that can have a big impact on the way people change - and that is because we use money to satisfy most of our needs - house, food, education and of course, all the fancy stuff.

I've been very conflicted because of the girl i love works here. However, I've somewhat managed to come to terms with it. I'm not her owner, i can't tell her what to do - She's old enough to make her own mind - BUT i do tell her what i like and what not, and give advice when i think it's needed. We've had our share of BAD times because we didn't say things - So Bobby, you should talk about this with her directly. More often than not, when we were down because of the actions/attitudes of the other, it was because of misunderstandings or lack of communication.

In the worst of cases... Move on! Life is good :)

It's a reason to avoid the younger girls who still think of parties and discos. They don't mean harm, but they are too young to think about settling down. Once they start feeling the clock ticking they stop being girls and start to think about the future. Be careful.

Both of you are right. Yes, people change, but sometimes they change for the better. I don't think I was a "bad" person before, but I know that my girlfriend makes me want to be a better person. Everlasting or not, that kind of love is pretty amazing. As far as her changing...which might happen if she works here long enough...that is beyond my control...so I try not to worry about it. Like you, Malchik, I've had my disappointments, but you are right....they were mostly due to miscommunications and our relationship being long distance. Good luck to you.

that's right, keep your distance until they're desperate........swoop in only then and you might have a chance lol:))

Not, desparate, simply finished with the things of adolesence and ready for a mature relationship.

lol No! sure it is not me!!! if you had read the forum before you would notice that i like posting poems! this one was about love and they belong to James Blunt a singer )))My name is Elina by the way ) (isnt it clear from my nicname?)

i was in love with a chathost. she agreed to find a regular job. i bought her a computer and set up internet so we could keep contact. i bought her gifts and send her extra money. it lasted about 3 months until i find her working on a different site and soon had no time for me. thats what happens when you trust someone you have never personally met.. just like you cant buy love with your money. she will not find true happiness with her money. its a no win situation.

Once you go to such lengths to "keep" her, she knows she pretty much has you and the thrill of winning you is over - It's only a matter of time then untl she starts looking for a thrill elsewhere.

So, trying to make some semblance of sense of what you just wrote, I would infer that you think playing "hard to get" is the way to get what "we" want, right? To me, that sounds extremely egotistical and tremendously pathetic at the same time. I fully understand why you would not use your screen name when posting that...I wouldn't if I were you, either! :P lol

No, it's the way of both men and girls who love the thrill of the hunt. Think before you write. Don't tell me you never knew people like this in school or even at the clubs you used to hang around in.

I can even think of a different example. Way back in the day, people would drive two or three States away just to score a trunk-load of Coors when it was a regional beer only. They would sell it back home at a premium and even make a few bucks on the effort. People were crazy for Coors. Then it got national distribution and soon the mystery was gone and it was just another product on the shelf.

Oh, I see, you're one of those guys that believes he's living in a wonderful little world where people always behave rationally unless they deliberately choose not to, where everyone is always frank and openly speaks his or her mind, and where each and every woman really, really does want a doormat of her very own to call a boyfriend.

You may not want to hear it, but even when it comes to "love", people have a way of tiring pretty quickly of those they see as being reliably and unquestionably there to support them. Hell, sometimes it even turns out that being unfalteringly "giving" and "thoughtful" incurs nothing much more than resentment. Best of luck to you at "trying to make some semblance of sense" out of that.

If you're really such an honest and selfless "giver", God bless you, man, I wish you the best, I really do. I just hope that the second that any woman you happen to find yourself in a relationship with begins taking you for granted, that you're able to recognize it and do something about it - and for her sake as much as your own.

Actually, I will apologize to you and the critic. My post was a reply to :P above...he wrote

"that's right, keep your distance until they're desperate........swoop in only then and you might have a chance lol:))"

So either cc screwed up, or I did (probably the latter). If you read my post again, I hope that it makes more sense now. Anyway, I didn't have a problem with your post, and I didn't mean to offend you.

Four years ago I met a host who caused me to sign up as member on another cam site. We quickly became friends and she was the first to say "I love you". I was thinking it but didn't say it until after her words. We chatted almost every day. I was blinded by love, but also knew there were other guys who liked and maybe even loved her. However she told me I was the only one she loved.

She was supposed to take a trip, but couldn't get a visa. I knew she wanted to go visit another member, but she denied it. We had a fight and said we didn't trust each other, but we both still loved each other. Later she told me she was going on vacation with her mom to Western Europe. I didn't question her about it. I just assume it was the truth.

I ended up spending $3500 in 7 months in her video until she asked me if she should quit as host. I told her if she could find another job then it would be great.

We continued to chat and email when possible, but of course it was it was a lot less frequent, but we still talked about loving each other. One day she told me she just got an Internet connection at home and that we could chat everyday, but then I didn't hear from her for two months. I wrote her telling her how heartbroken I was because she stopped writing me and I questioned her past words of love. She said took a trip for work to another city and had an accident and couldn't contact me and was sorry to have caused such pain to me.

We continued to chat or email only a few times a month until she got a new job where she had Internet access then we chatted a few times a week. It turns out that she also started working on cam sites again, but didn't tell me. When I found out we had a fight about trust again. We didn't' talk for a week but decided we still wanted to be friends. She said I could never go to her video again, but she never told me when she was working on free site either. We could only talk by Yahoo chat or email

She continued to work on cam site for another two years and we still chatted a few times a week. At one point she told me I was one of her most important friends, but then she didn't talk to me for 2 weeks when she was coming to CC each day. Again we had another fight. I told her how can I be an important friend if she doesn't say "hi" to me in 2 weeks when she's working each day and probably hiding on Yahoo. She got mad when I questioned her character and ended our friendship.

We didn't talk for 8 months and during that time I found out that she didn't take a trip to Western Europe with her mum, but went with another member. So I wrote her and asked her what other lies she told during our friendship. I also told her her work on cam sites changed her and that she had lost her soul.

I honestly didn't expect that we would talk again, but I got a surprise email from her last Christmas. Since then we've been close friends again. She says I'm the only "friend" that she still talks to from her old hosting job. She says we're a mirror of each other and I can't deny we have a emotional connection.

What did I learn in 4 years?
1) Young women are very fickle and most will lie if it suits their goals.
2) It's difficult, but possible to have a caring friendship with a host.
3) When the videos end the "friendship" usually ends too.
4) Never forget this is a pay video site so always keep your guard up and your hands on your wallet.
5) A friendship is not a true friendship until it's proven by the test of time.

Also you learned:
7) You were obsessed with her behavior when you had no right to be.
8) Love on the net is with a small "L" and can't possibly be real without real meetings.
9) You read far more into her feelings than you had a right to.
10) When you ask questions whose answers you might not like you invite lies and/or disappointments.

There is a girl here that I have a great deal of affection for. However, she works in an adult category and is rather popular. She may even be working multiple sites, I don't know. Many things are technologically possible. But even though she is usually laying on the bed naked or in her panties only, and the last time I popped into video she was sucking a dildo, I don't let it concern me at all. I know in real life she is probably quite a bit different. I never would think of making life-requests of her or suggesting her employment or behavior unless we had something going in reql life and we were well on the way to a visa.

this is the great mystique of cc life. you can never tell reality from lies. it is impossible to know if your girl sees only you unless you can look into her PC. i know i have tried like some of the above only to find out she have many other Yahoo friends who she says the same thing to them as you. just be careful and beware.

this thread is so long. im tired

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agree here ...

What happened to the CAPS????

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thank you , thank you, thank you cc b'day for that present lol

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I'm sorry to hear you felt so bad about yourself... I've certainly never had held the opinion that girls who strip here are 'lower' than anyone else, whatever that means. In fact if anything I admire you for your courage, and I certainly appreciate what you do for us men :D

Kisses

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You tell them Oxygen.
If you don't feel right here, you can always leave. Work 9 to 5 or start some self-employed business. If you can't succeed in your
country or feel underpaid, move to western europe, usa, anywhere. It's not easy but if you are not happy on here, DO something about it instead of moaning in the forum. Jeez some people :)))))))

Well, a matter is as ancient as men and women are exist on this planet.
Why men do pay to get a woman? And why women are still choosing to sell themselves? Isn't it because they depends on each others needs and that's why are absolutely equal in their sins? And isn't it just a fact of perverted relationships between humans in our perverted world where money mostly is the main factor?
I hate to say it but we both, men and women, still need money to live, and have to pay for everything in this life...And sometimes women need money even much more than a men, because they have to raise and provide their kids which is much more important and understandable than a man spending his money for his own joy.
There is nothing new that men are always wanting sex and women are always trying to use this fact for their gain. That is life as it is, and like it or not, but no one could change all the things in the world, at least for now. But we both, men and women, are free to decide PERSONALLY if we agree with that or not and if we are able to follow our principles and our morality.
Sure, some women are easy enough to accept such a job, some are not of course, and some will never get naked for every man who wants her to. Alike some men aren't musing at all, some like you are trying to think and find the answers and some are never use women in such way.
And if you feel being lowering yourself because of paying, it just proves your soul is not completely spoilt. I'm not judging those members who are proud of spending their money for sex here or elsewhere, who I am to judge others. Everyone acts according to his conceptions. I just call things by their names.

Finally, in spite of all that, we humans still have things which have nothing to do with money...fortunately. You know those things.

I know it is not an answer on your posted question, but I suppose it is the same subject :)

I didn't answer directly on your questions, sorry, but I hope you got my thought and guess an answer.

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Now if you could just reunite with Moldova except for Transnitria all would be good. :-)

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Because it was the most outer reach of Romania Mare and if those rebels want to keep it why make a war? The wise thing would be to agree to the independence of that region and let them be a part of Russia as they dream.

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let them have their independence. it's only fair.

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It isn't language arrogance to expect that sites geared towards English speakers should have hosts that speak English. Not all sites are this way. Further, English is the major language of the internet, and it is probably the most studied language by people who were not born in a country where English is the native language. But in terms of people not knowing a lot about different cultures and appreciating them, that is probably a fair criticism. But I don't think that has anything to do with what language somebody speaks.

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wow-cool--and by the way im chase, how do you do

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hi :) If you're the same chaser I wish you next time the best fishing you ever had :)

The woman shines from within, not by her passing beauty.

Men have been known to "rate" a woman from 1 to 10. I remember one of the hottest girls I ever met was only a 5 by looks and yet was a 12 in my heart. I also know more than one 10 girl that I wouldn't fuck with someone else's dick.

Well, we all live in society which has laws,rules,etc. We have to pay taxes coz state requires this, and no one asks if we want to pay. And part of taxes is used for charity.Can u not pay taxes? Yes u can but ull become a criminal then. U can say"I dont mind society", but believe me society doesnt mind u even more. Not all of poor people do drugs or have no ambitions as u say,our society makes them what they r. Or even drug addicts,etc, think about their children. Is it their fault that they have such parents? And u wont help a childVolunteers giving money in different relief funds do it by their own desicion and should be mentioned that is just nesessary for poorest counties for example. U know that there r plenty of countries where people r starving?But no one asks u to give money for such purpose, on the other hand u cant help paying taxes and communicate with society,so why to talk about things that u cant resolve?

I hear you, Ebie.

If only there were a charitable organization whose purpose was not to financially prop-up such riffraff, but to instead spay and neuter them to knock their defective character traits out of the gene pool.

Eugenics, buddy, for the sake of all of mankind, there ain't nothing more charitable.

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both

So causes such as a suicide hotline for teens, breakfast programs for school children who arrive hungry, disaster relief for families who've lost everything in flood or earthquake are not worthwhile causes? There are lots of innocent victims out there that need a hand up from time to time. It's how we look after our own that defines us as a civilization and not just a collection of individuals. If you can't part with the money, consider giving your time and expertise. Perhaps teach someone who is struggling your secrets to success!!

its the people who are to lazy to get off there fat asses and cant be assed to work and just clame benifits that my hard erned money goes towards. its the people who decide to f**k them selves up on drugs etc that im paying the conciquences for. its the ones that murder, rape and sit in jail eating a better meal than i do and then complain a bout some human rights crap they arnt getting that im paying to feed and keep warm. all this crap and much more piss me off.
people who are without and need help through no falt of there own are the ones we should be helping and i would gladley give money for that. i do try to help where i can

What are the specific charity groups are you referring to?

You think you did it all yourself, do you? I suppose you were there at your conception too! I wonder how many times people have been charitable to you in your life and you didn't even know it or appreciate it. Keep all your money to yourself mate. Giving is a joy....a joy too good for someone like you. .... Maybe there is someone out there who can forgive your selfishness? Obviously not if they all think like you. That would have to be Amazing Grace indeed....

as long as a charity actually pays out at least 80% of what it takes in its sound and worthwhile giving to. but as you are successful why not be like gates, buffet, bloomberg and give away vast amounts of money and skip the other charities, be hard though since the only charity you favor is YOU

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I don't think he was referring to this site, sweetie....but life in general. And I don't think we can blame him for making that argument.

This is a big question we all have to answer for ourselves. To the original poster I want to say this: Charity to others is charity to yourself. What you lovingly give to others, you give to yourself. If you cannot give with love, then better save your money. I don't give money to junkies, either, but I used to. Occasionally, but extremely rarely, for whatever reason I don't understand, I still may give a few bucks to a junkie in need. I never let them manipulate me into feeling guilty, they can try that on the next guy. However, occasionally you meet someone and you sense that they really need a meal or whatever, not just the next fix. I guess I guess it is a matter of intuition, or whatever.

But don't forget, all over the world there are million of people who never did anything wrong and who's in need of your charity. I am not gonna save the world...but I try to help whenever it feels right. As for organized charities, many of them are scams...not all thouhg.

absolutely correct. also position of categories are a factor 2.

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shit happens:(

Thank god wasnt one of my friends...
Really shows the dangers if your not careful

funny how you seem to find this otherwise obscure news....mmmm

As far as I know, there is no proof so far that the killer met her online. The police report that they left together from a bar.

But of course everyone must use common sense on the internet. Don't give out too much personal information including things like name of favorite restaurant or club. When planning a meeting in person always meet only in public and if possible go with a friend.

We had a women who was killed after she answered an ad on craigslist looking for a Nanny. So you can find danger in many places on the internet.

She wasn't a chathost, she was a photomodel.

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They know who killed her, there are pics on the net. The killers were a young guy and his girlfriend. There was probably some jealousy involved and they probably knew her very well.

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Goimg after a 16 year old girl is not a pedophile, it is robbing the cradle - a pedophile goes for prepubescent children, not a womanly teenager.

a guy old enough to be in graduate school shouldn't be fucking a high school sophomore.....sorry, but that's just creepy and wrong.

"shouldn't" and "creepy" may be true to you, but at 16 she is NOT a prepubescent child and his behavior may be legally wrong, but it's not really pedophilia in the heart. As they say in certain places: "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed."

Have we met?

"old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" so you can change your name to creepy investigator then

In the UK, it's legal for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 16 year old.

I wouldn't call it paedophilia, but I would call it a little weird :)

It's not legal in the US where this woman was killed. However some states do still allow marriage between an adult and a minor with permission of the parents. Once they're married they can have all the sex they want. ;p

Ted it is legal for any man over the age of 16 not just 40 year old ones :P

True, true. When I see a hot 16 year old built nicely I look at her as a ripe body, ready for passion. But then on second and third thought, especially after hearing her speak, I know such girls are not ready for intimate relationships.

The young ones are eye candy only and in most cases all relationships with them should remain at that level, except under VERY limited and unique circumstances.

the janitor at my school told me that story last month.....
I will never look at him the same anymore :(

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And this is why u just tried to get the balance of ur phone Gorty?But u didnt get coz of great information protection?lol

rather have the sex monika, why aren;'t you here

nothing better than drunk college girls getting naked...whooo hooo

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he he he yes i think so...but is a strange question ...no one ask before :))

discipline means to have self control...usually discipline is a matter of will....deciding to do something or be a certain way and following through with determination.discipline usually isnt something that comes natural to human beings..lol...

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well kick me in the butt....i got it wrong

discipline can also mean a branch of knowlege ...i.e. In what discipline is his doctorate?

Could it be Sanctity of Life?

Main Entry: sanc·ti·ty
Pronunciation: \ˈsaŋ(k)-tə-tē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sanc·ti·ties
Etymology: Middle English saunctite, from Anglo-French sainteté, from Latin sanctitat-, sanctitas, from sanctus sacred
Date: 14th century
1: holiness of life and character : godliness
2 a: the quality or state of being holy or sacred : inviolability bplural : sacred objects, obligations, or rights

It 's "Health Safety..."

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Self-defense is the term.

I Googled both terms and found Web pages for universities in Belarus, Khazakhstan, and Eastern Russia that describe courses that in the U.S. would be most likely labeled, "Environmental Science", or "Ecological Studies", or possibly "Conservation Biology"... Something along those lines.

i would be inclined to go along with Hmm's definition.
"conservation" Green issues something along those lines

I was going suggest "lifesaver" - the person who is responsible to keep people from drowning at the pool or beach.

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Mate, are you fair dinkum?" - Kind Sir, are you telling me the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

"Mate, I'm fair dinkum, bloody oath I am" - Why of course!!

"He's a fair dinkum drongo" - He is honestly quite a fool who isn't too bright and gets nothing right. The fair dinkum adds the honestly part to the translation, the rest comes from drongo.

"You have to let him know you're fair dinkum" - You have to let him know you are bona fide.

"Fair dinkum?" - No shit?

Fair- dinkum is an old Australian expression very roughly translating to mean genuine or honest It used to be very common in the early days, and was often used as an example of Australian English. Go on, check your standard English dictionary now - we bet it's in there.

Fairdinkum!