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Have you ever seen her in video?
Do you know Melagry?
I have never seen her in video, i saw her pics.. and she is perfect.. We just chat. She is a clever girl.
But she is always at a distance. Smb knows her?
I have never seen her in video, i saw her pics.. and she is perfect.. We just chat. She is a clever girl.
But she is always at a distance. Smb knows her?
RE: Have you ever seen her in video?
Ok, if you do not know this nickname..
Smb-->> used to be a chthost and a viewer now .. well.. another name is FLPS
Yes, he knows everything.. ;)
Smb-->> used to be a chthost and a viewer now .. well.. another name is FLPS
Yes, he knows everything.. ;)
RE: Have you ever seen her in video?
Glad you asked. I thought it was chatspeak for "somebody." lol!
Btw, I know LMAO is "laughing my ass off," but the RO that some put before it is---"rolling over"?
Btw, I know LMAO is "laughing my ass off," but the RO that some put before it is---"rolling over"?
Encore: "Dominus Vobiscum" or Religion or No Religion?
On 2 Feb “Father Forgive Me” posted a comment titled “Dominus Vobiscum,” in which he said he had it on good authority that there were a couple of “men of the cloth” here. He asked the hosts whether they were disgusted by this and whether it just confirmed their supposed belief that all men are pigs. A brief thread followed in which some members said we ought not stand in judgment of them, but one member, posting in this instance under the name “yes you can fault them,” said just that, pointing out that men of the cloth are often judgmental and hypocritical. He also raised an interesting question with his assertion that we do not need a “conduit” (i.e. a religious figure or religion) to the “eternal.” Therefore, I thought I would pose the question here and ask fellow members if you believe this “conduit” is necessary to have access to the “eternal” and, more broadly, if you believe society would be better or worse without religion.
Here are some of my own thoughts on the matter, which I was going to post in the original thread, but since a few days have gone by, I thought it might be useful to start a new one. So, voila! :
I certainly agree with “yes we can fault them” that clerics are often hypocritical and I understand the impulse to simply say, “Screw the religious leaders.” We have the luxury of believing that and the freedom to state it publicly without dire consequences. In the West, religion and religious leaders no longer hold sway over human affairs as they once did, but the influence is still there and in some not-so-subtle ways. Just consider the fact that some 80+ million Americans call themselves Evangelical (i.e. fundamentalist) Christians and that many from this faction have publicly stated their opposition to what they call, “the artificial separation of church and state.” Or consider that in the former Soviet Union religion was outlawed, but it hardly disappeared. It just went underground, reemerging some 70 years later with the fall of Communism.
In other areas of the world religion plays a central role in how the society is governed and religious leaders are frequently in a power struggle with their secular counterparts over who will have ultimate authority. This is certainly one of the many problems facing Iraq today and it would be naïve to suppose that it can be resolved without a compromise in the form of power sharing between religious and secular authorities, as was done in Israel when the country was founded in 1948.
Throughout history mankind has always deferred to a priestly class who are vested with an authority that is recognized and legitimated by the members of that society. What’s more, up until relatively recently temporal (i.e. social & political) affairs were inextricably bound up with the spiritual. The Divine Right of Kings is a case in point. Though long dead in the West as an article of faith, the symbol endured with the practice of conducting the coronation of a monarch in the church. Napoleon famously smashed this symbol when he took the crown from the Archbishop, who as spiritual leader would be vesting, symbolically at least, the temporal leader with authority. Napoleon placed the crown on his own head as if to say, “I do not derive my power and authority from any power, spiritual or otherwise. I take the power.”
Religious authority is alive and well today as the current strife in Iraq painfully testifies. Less conspicuous, but no less real, is the authority wielded by religious figures in the Jewish world---and not only in Israel. The late Rabbi Shearson (sp?)---I believe that was his name---wielded enormous power over his followers in Israel even though he was in Brooklyn, NY! (Interestingly enough, also the US base for the Russian Mafia!)
I’m not an apologist for religion by any means. So, for sake of argument, let us suppose we get rid of the priests, the mullahs and the rabbis---indeed organized religion altogether. Granted, men of the cloth are mere mortals like us and have no more access to the spiritual or eternal than the rest of us. But with the“conduit” gone, how do we connect with the eternal or transcendent world? Through Art? Nature? Personal prayer or meditation? What, if anything, do we put in the place of religion? To whom do we turn when we are in need of spiritual succor? Psychiatry? And has psychiatry become a secular religion of sorts? It is worth thinking about the fact that Freud’s parents were Orthodox Jews and Jung’s father was a Presbyterian minister.
The Soviet experiment would seem to suggest that man will never altogether abandon religion. Perhaps man is, by nature, as much a religious animal as he is a political one. Still it’s worth thinking about. What do you think?
Here are some of my own thoughts on the matter, which I was going to post in the original thread, but since a few days have gone by, I thought it might be useful to start a new one. So, voila! :
I certainly agree with “yes we can fault them” that clerics are often hypocritical and I understand the impulse to simply say, “Screw the religious leaders.” We have the luxury of believing that and the freedom to state it publicly without dire consequences. In the West, religion and religious leaders no longer hold sway over human affairs as they once did, but the influence is still there and in some not-so-subtle ways. Just consider the fact that some 80+ million Americans call themselves Evangelical (i.e. fundamentalist) Christians and that many from this faction have publicly stated their opposition to what they call, “the artificial separation of church and state.” Or consider that in the former Soviet Union religion was outlawed, but it hardly disappeared. It just went underground, reemerging some 70 years later with the fall of Communism.
In other areas of the world religion plays a central role in how the society is governed and religious leaders are frequently in a power struggle with their secular counterparts over who will have ultimate authority. This is certainly one of the many problems facing Iraq today and it would be naïve to suppose that it can be resolved without a compromise in the form of power sharing between religious and secular authorities, as was done in Israel when the country was founded in 1948.
Throughout history mankind has always deferred to a priestly class who are vested with an authority that is recognized and legitimated by the members of that society. What’s more, up until relatively recently temporal (i.e. social & political) affairs were inextricably bound up with the spiritual. The Divine Right of Kings is a case in point. Though long dead in the West as an article of faith, the symbol endured with the practice of conducting the coronation of a monarch in the church. Napoleon famously smashed this symbol when he took the crown from the Archbishop, who as spiritual leader would be vesting, symbolically at least, the temporal leader with authority. Napoleon placed the crown on his own head as if to say, “I do not derive my power and authority from any power, spiritual or otherwise. I take the power.”
Religious authority is alive and well today as the current strife in Iraq painfully testifies. Less conspicuous, but no less real, is the authority wielded by religious figures in the Jewish world---and not only in Israel. The late Rabbi Shearson (sp?)---I believe that was his name---wielded enormous power over his followers in Israel even though he was in Brooklyn, NY! (Interestingly enough, also the US base for the Russian Mafia!)
I’m not an apologist for religion by any means. So, for sake of argument, let us suppose we get rid of the priests, the mullahs and the rabbis---indeed organized religion altogether. Granted, men of the cloth are mere mortals like us and have no more access to the spiritual or eternal than the rest of us. But with the“conduit” gone, how do we connect with the eternal or transcendent world? Through Art? Nature? Personal prayer or meditation? What, if anything, do we put in the place of religion? To whom do we turn when we are in need of spiritual succor? Psychiatry? And has psychiatry become a secular religion of sorts? It is worth thinking about the fact that Freud’s parents were Orthodox Jews and Jung’s father was a Presbyterian minister.
The Soviet experiment would seem to suggest that man will never altogether abandon religion. Perhaps man is, by nature, as much a religious animal as he is a political one. Still it’s worth thinking about. What do you think?
RE: Encore:
melomane: "Granted, men of the cloth are mere mortals like us and have no more access to the spiritual or eternal than the rest of us. But with the“conduit” gone, how do we connect with the eternal or transcendent world?"
"When you pray , be not like the pretenders, who prefer to pray in the synagogues and in the public squares, in the sight of others. In truth I tell you, that is all the profit they will have. But you, when you pray, go into your inner chamber qand, locking the door, pray there in hiding to your Father, and your Father who sees you in hiding will reward you. And when you pray do not babble on as the pagans do, who think that to win a hearingby the number of their words. Your father knows what you need before you ask it of him." (Mt. 6.5-8)
"When you pray , be not like the pretenders, who prefer to pray in the synagogues and in the public squares, in the sight of others. In truth I tell you, that is all the profit they will have. But you, when you pray, go into your inner chamber qand, locking the door, pray there in hiding to your Father, and your Father who sees you in hiding will reward you. And when you pray do not babble on as the pagans do, who think that to win a hearingby the number of their words. Your father knows what you need before you ask it of him." (Mt. 6.5-8)
RE: Encore:
"yes you...", that passage from Matthew goes right to the heart of the matter. It also clarifies your position on religion. I assume it would be fair for me to conclude that you do not repudiate religion or the religious impulse as such, but think we don't need an institution or a cleric to mediate it? And would I be going too far in concluding you believe that not only is the institution unnecessary, but it actually may stand in the way of the aim?
Dante certainly thought the true spirit of Christianity was extinguished when Constantine made it the official State religion. Much later Kierkegaard said that his aim was to put Christ back into Christendom. He then humorously observed that too many had made Christ into a philosophy professor! lol! (And how prescient the hunch-backed minister was, for when George Bush was asked by a reporter, "Mr. President, who is your favorite philosopher?", he answered, "Jesus Christ." Now THAT is scarey!)
Dante certainly thought the true spirit of Christianity was extinguished when Constantine made it the official State religion. Much later Kierkegaard said that his aim was to put Christ back into Christendom. He then humorously observed that too many had made Christ into a philosophy professor! lol! (And how prescient the hunch-backed minister was, for when George Bush was asked by a reporter, "Mr. President, who is your favorite philosopher?", he answered, "Jesus Christ." Now THAT is scarey!)
No Religion, but No judging either!
well...i want to tell u something interesting about myself :P
Firstly i was the one of those few posters who said not to judge all men and i told it in the context of those words from OP: "all men are the same and they are pigs". It's judgmental to call them all pigs (no matter religious they are or not).
Secondly, if u say that being judgmental is not necessarily a bad thing and we are constantly being judged in legitimate ways throughout our lives ....i think u mean sensible criticism rather than stupid blaming without any tolerance. And if u judge religious leaders pointing out at their hypocrisy (even if they really worthy) do u think u are much better and therefor u have some rights to judge them?
Yes, i agree that many of them are often judgmental and hypocritical. But don't u understand that judging them leads to nothing at best and to world wars at worst?
I went to protestant church (SDA) since 1993 till 2001. I was very
active there and did a lot of work for my church, so i know all the hidden moments which have been happening inside of churches (and not only protestant ones). And i could tell u a lot about that, but this is not what im going to say here....I has left the church because of dissapointment and disgust for hypocrisy of religious people. But i dont judge them because i dont care anymore and IMO the era of religion and faith has already gone. Many people had left their churches because of the same reason: it's useless to go there, to be called a christian (or any other "righteous" name) if you are not able to love and forgive. Nobody gets eternal life keeping his/her heart close for love, kindness, forgiveness, etc....and the most important thing for me is freedom to choose.
That's why i refrain from judging whoever. U try to confine someone in your own conception about life, religion, laws of God or people and so on if u judge someone! But your conseption is subjective, it cannot be true. It can be right only for yourself. So everybody goes his own way and let it be so. No judging!
U ask how do we connect with the eternal or transcendent world with the “conduit” gone? Easy: through your heart. Look for God inside yourself and turn to him when u are in need of spiritual succor. Religion helps to those who want someone to lead and guide them ...this is the lot of weak and restricted people.
Firstly i was the one of those few posters who said not to judge all men and i told it in the context of those words from OP: "all men are the same and they are pigs". It's judgmental to call them all pigs (no matter religious they are or not).
Secondly, if u say that being judgmental is not necessarily a bad thing and we are constantly being judged in legitimate ways throughout our lives ....i think u mean sensible criticism rather than stupid blaming without any tolerance. And if u judge religious leaders pointing out at their hypocrisy (even if they really worthy) do u think u are much better and therefor u have some rights to judge them?
Yes, i agree that many of them are often judgmental and hypocritical. But don't u understand that judging them leads to nothing at best and to world wars at worst?
I went to protestant church (SDA) since 1993 till 2001. I was very
active there and did a lot of work for my church, so i know all the hidden moments which have been happening inside of churches (and not only protestant ones). And i could tell u a lot about that, but this is not what im going to say here....I has left the church because of dissapointment and disgust for hypocrisy of religious people. But i dont judge them because i dont care anymore and IMO the era of religion and faith has already gone. Many people had left their churches because of the same reason: it's useless to go there, to be called a christian (or any other "righteous" name) if you are not able to love and forgive. Nobody gets eternal life keeping his/her heart close for love, kindness, forgiveness, etc....and the most important thing for me is freedom to choose.
That's why i refrain from judging whoever. U try to confine someone in your own conception about life, religion, laws of God or people and so on if u judge someone! But your conseption is subjective, it cannot be true. It can be right only for yourself. So everybody goes his own way and let it be so. No judging!
U ask how do we connect with the eternal or transcendent world with the “conduit” gone? Easy: through your heart. Look for God inside yourself and turn to him when u are in need of spiritual succor. Religion helps to those who want someone to lead and guide them ...this is the lot of weak and restricted people.
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
sorry for many typos ....this is one of them i want to correct:
"Nobody gets eternal life keeping his heart closed* for love, etc..."
hope somebody reads that all :D
"Nobody gets eternal life keeping his heart closed* for love, etc..."
hope somebody reads that all :D
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
"And if u judge religious leaders pointing out at their hypocrisy (even if they really worthy) do u think u are much better and therefor u have some rights to judge them?
Yes, i agree that many of them are often judgmental and hypocritical. But don't u understand that judging them leads to nothing at best and to world wars at worst? "
Sure I have the right to judge them, and so does any other thinking person. They present themselves as moral teachers who have lessons worth following. Each of us chooses -- consciously or unconsciously -- who we are going to have as teachers and role models. Our parents? Movie stars (talking about poverty or global warming or whatever)? Athletes? Politicians? When we make these decisions, it's only reasonable that we look at how they live. Do they practice what they preach (literally in the case of religious leaders)? Or do they say "this is what YOU should do (such as stay away from cc) but I'm going to do the opposite (spend an hour in instant action every night)". Bad messengers and hypocrites can carry good messages, sure, but I'm going to be very curious why they don't do what they say I should do. Are they teachers because they truly believe what they say will help people? Or is it just a form of egoism, they love having people listen to them? And I don't agree that judging them leads to "nothing at best, and world wars at worst". if you judge them accurately, you can make better decisions about who to follow. That's not "nothing", on the contrary it's very valuable. And saying "I'm not going to judge" just hands authority to those aggressive enough to take it, or charismatic enough to get others to give it to them, and that's a dangerous way to select leaders.
Yes, i agree that many of them are often judgmental and hypocritical. But don't u understand that judging them leads to nothing at best and to world wars at worst? "
Sure I have the right to judge them, and so does any other thinking person. They present themselves as moral teachers who have lessons worth following. Each of us chooses -- consciously or unconsciously -- who we are going to have as teachers and role models. Our parents? Movie stars (talking about poverty or global warming or whatever)? Athletes? Politicians? When we make these decisions, it's only reasonable that we look at how they live. Do they practice what they preach (literally in the case of religious leaders)? Or do they say "this is what YOU should do (such as stay away from cc) but I'm going to do the opposite (spend an hour in instant action every night)". Bad messengers and hypocrites can carry good messages, sure, but I'm going to be very curious why they don't do what they say I should do. Are they teachers because they truly believe what they say will help people? Or is it just a form of egoism, they love having people listen to them? And I don't agree that judging them leads to "nothing at best, and world wars at worst". if you judge them accurately, you can make better decisions about who to follow. That's not "nothing", on the contrary it's very valuable. And saying "I'm not going to judge" just hands authority to those aggressive enough to take it, or charismatic enough to get others to give it to them, and that's a dangerous way to select leaders.
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
do u need any leaders at all? are u too weak and narrow-minded to build your own life without them? do u really like it if someone points out how should u live, although he doesn't have an idea about your life?
A dangerous way is the way where u choose to trust your life to someone else- no matter how they present themselves, and to listen to your leaders instead of your heart.
So if someone leads u a wrong way, you are the only guilty in it. It was YOUR choice. Therefor no reason and no right to blame anyone except yourself.
A dangerous way is the way where u choose to trust your life to someone else- no matter how they present themselves, and to listen to your leaders instead of your heart.
So if someone leads u a wrong way, you are the only guilty in it. It was YOUR choice. Therefor no reason and no right to blame anyone except yourself.
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
"take care, " With all due respects, I think you misread "anonymous99". I don't believe he is saying he is looking for a leader, but rather if we do not judge someone who is an imposter or an evil power monger, like Jim Jones, we will have chosen him by default. He's saying a failure to judge someone who is not a worthy leader is tantamount to deciding in his favor and THAT is dangerous.
But to take your ideal of a society without leaders, where every man and woman choose their own path in life, I believe even if it were possible to achieve, it would not be desirable. It would only create a sea of relativism in which every man's self-interest was in conflict or, at the very least, not in sync with any larger purpose than the gratification of each man's desires. In the absence of a community of believers committed to an aim beyond the self interest of each individual, this society looks allfully like Hobbes "state of nature...in which every man is at war with every other man," i.e.the "war of all against all."
I have no problem with the idea that if one is strong, one need not follow the teachings of any teacher or cleric, but I do have a problem with a society whose members are not bound together by a common belief system, whether religious or political. The result is a society in which the 'self' is exhaulted at the expense of the common good or group. Sometimes
But to take your ideal of a society without leaders, where every man and woman choose their own path in life, I believe even if it were possible to achieve, it would not be desirable. It would only create a sea of relativism in which every man's self-interest was in conflict or, at the very least, not in sync with any larger purpose than the gratification of each man's desires. In the absence of a community of believers committed to an aim beyond the self interest of each individual, this society looks allfully like Hobbes "state of nature...in which every man is at war with every other man," i.e.the "war of all against all."
I have no problem with the idea that if one is strong, one need not follow the teachings of any teacher or cleric, but I do have a problem with a society whose members are not bound together by a common belief system, whether religious or political. The result is a society in which the 'self' is exhaulted at the expense of the common good or group. Sometimes
cont'd
At least one thing can be said in favor of orgainzed religion: It serves as an organizing force, bringing people together under one roof and uniting them by their commonly held beliefs, beliefs which are reinforced by ritual.
RE: cont'd
yes... and this way they feel much stronger like one big family....i dont mind of that either :D ...unless their belief makes them kill somebody or hate. In this case the "roof" is very dangerous.
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
And it seems u misunderstood me too, Meloman ....im not talking about ALL the society and its' leaders....but about every particular person who may be guided by his own common sense and intuition, not asking any advices of those who he expects to be "righteous" (are we talking mostly about religious leaders?)
The main idea i want to share: some leaders know they are bad and hypocritical but they pretend to be good and present themselves such a way in order to make u believe and to follow them....another are sincere, but lead u by the wrong way (the meaning of "wrong" is in the ligh of objectivity) ...and trusting them is a mistake in both variants. Only each particular person can really know what he want from this life: what for he came to this world? what does his soul need? what is his life' destination? his life' tasks? does God already love him or he have to ask his forgiveness (to be saved) a bit longer banging his head on the floor =)) ...and so on. There are many advisers who "know the way" ...choosing any of them as your leaders, means to trust them. I just told about not trusting anyone in that point. And i dont point out "the right way" as well....just sharing my opinion.
As for judging others...well, like i said before i accept judging as a healthy, sensible criticism. And our friends, parents, teachers criticize us because they LOVE us and wish us all the best. Those who judge others with bad feelings and intentions ...are worthy of the same treatment, that's all.
As for your question, Meloman, i am from Russia :)
The main idea i want to share: some leaders know they are bad and hypocritical but they pretend to be good and present themselves such a way in order to make u believe and to follow them....another are sincere, but lead u by the wrong way (the meaning of "wrong" is in the ligh of objectivity) ...and trusting them is a mistake in both variants. Only each particular person can really know what he want from this life: what for he came to this world? what does his soul need? what is his life' destination? his life' tasks? does God already love him or he have to ask his forgiveness (to be saved) a bit longer banging his head on the floor =)) ...and so on. There are many advisers who "know the way" ...choosing any of them as your leaders, means to trust them. I just told about not trusting anyone in that point. And i dont point out "the right way" as well....just sharing my opinion.
As for judging others...well, like i said before i accept judging as a healthy, sensible criticism. And our friends, parents, teachers criticize us because they LOVE us and wish us all the best. Those who judge others with bad feelings and intentions ...are worthy of the same treatment, that's all.
As for your question, Meloman, i am from Russia :)
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
Thanks Melomane. I think I was misunderstood. I know it sounds very romantic and heroic to say "I follow my own path, I'm totally independent" and so on. I just don't think it's true. I wasn't talking about slavish or blind obedience -- not at all. But most of us are influenced by someone -- our families at least, and usually others too. Religion is just another source of leaders, but unlike most others these usually claim divine inspiration or teaching. I'm just saying "think" before we take lessons from anyone, religious or secular.
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
You are welcome A__99. It's interesting that you use the expression, "slavish and blind obedience," people often speak of faith and love as being blind. In the former blindness seems justified insofar as faith is, to paraphrase St. Paul, a belief in things unseen. Still, it seems to me an act of faith requires examining what manifest evidence there is. Love (Eros,Cupid), however, seems to be of a more mischievous character. The child of the godess Night, Eros struck awe even into the heart of Zeus, according to the Orphic myths. Ahh, how much human suffering has been born of blind faith and blind love!
"Man is born free," says Rousseau at the beginning of his famous work, "On the Origin of Inequality Among Men, "but everywhere he is in chains." Might "slavish obedience" have something to do with it?
"Man is born free," says Rousseau at the beginning of his famous work, "On the Origin of Inequality Among Men, "but everywhere he is in chains." Might "slavish obedience" have something to do with it?
RE: No Religion, but No judging either!
“take care,” Thank you for sharing your personal experience. I appreciate your thoughtful remarks. It seems you and “yes we can…” agree that our ability to connect to the eternal is, at bottom, an altogether personal affair that does not require our adherence to the orthodoxy of institutional beliefs.
Let me first clarify that in saying I agree with “yes we…” re: judging religious leaders, I did not mean to imply I disagreed with your objection to the cheap-shot judgment rendered by the party who called all men pigs. As you said, it has to be understood in context---even that sardonic remark, which I assume was not intended as altogether serious.
It seems you are uncomfortable with the word “judgment” and prefer to call justifiable instances of it “sensible criticism.” Fine, it is a semantic difference. I would only observe that being “judged” need not have a negative connotation or in any way imply “stupid blaming without tolerance.” Parents judge their children, but are not intolerant of them. Likewise, teachers judge their students and employers their employees, but are not intolerant of them. But I understand your point, for being “judgmental” has come to mean intolerant. It’s probably best we invent a whole new word. And I’m with you in regard of those “judgmental” sorts whom I refer to as sanctimonious crapsters---like Jerry Falwell et al. A nationally conspicuous, self-declared born-again Christian, Falwell is the embodiment of hypocrisy for whom “stupid blaming without tolerance” doesn’t go far enough! One would want to add blaming without a factual basis, as he did after 9/11 when he outrageously declared that 9/11 was God’s wrath visited on the nation for the iniquity of homosexuals!
So, I am now judging Falwell and if I understand you correctly, you maintain we should never, nor do we have a right to judge others (“lest we be judged?”) Are you making the scriptural argument, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?” And are you further claiming that such judgments have been the root cause of all religious wars? I certainly would not entirely disagree, seeing that wars of religion have accounted for and continue to account for so much human slaughter—and all in the name of God! Of the world’s major religions, only Buddhism has the distinction of never having a war fought in its name. That said, I think it naïve to suppose the simple decision to remain silent rather than point a judgmental finger would avert war. And the problems are not confined to conflicts between one religion and another. Take the pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church. Could this have been mitigated if the laity had exposed these abuses generations ago instead of paying obsequious deference to the clergy and the Church hierarchy that covered it up, somehow persuading itself that the supposed sanctity of their office and the Church’s image superseded in importance any consideration for the victims of these pedophile priests. Granted these priests are only human, but so are their victims, and a failure to judge the former results in a grave injustice to the latter. So, what I’m saying is sometimes saying nothing causes as much or more harm as speaking out, and speaking out constitutes a legitimate and necessary judgment. Here judgment does not cause an evil, but serves as a corrective. A laissez faire approach perpetuates the problem by failing to make this judgment.
The main problem in making a judgment, either as an individual or as a member of a group, is not that the party doing the judging thinks he (or a group) is better than the other person (or group). The real problem is making sure a judgment is made for the right reasons, at the right time, in the right way and in the right measure. This is the test of legitimacy. The problem of one party thinking he is better than another only arises when a judgment is not legitimate.
You certainly would not be the first to say the “era of faith and religion” has passed. I think this is what Nietzsche had in mind when he declared---much to people’s horror---that “God is dead.” Even more cynically he said, “The last Christian died on Calvary.” You also echo Marx in saying religion is “the lot of weak and restricted people.” Marx called religion the “opium of the people,” with which I agree, but not without qualifications. Later Freud called religion an illusion born of an infantile need for a father figure. This interpretation certainly is seductive, and it fits very neatly into Freud’s own Psychoanalytic Theory, but it is overly reductive and precludes any discussion of the near-infinite variety of religious experiences, a rich survey of which can be found in Wm. James lectures, “The Varieties of Religious Experience.”
In the end, it seems to me the religious impulse (with or without the institution) boils down to this: Man longs for something larger than himself and he wants to make sense of his world and his place in it. What’s more, whether he is a member of an organized religion, privately religious, or without any conscious belief about the eternal or transcendent world, the common denominator of human existence is that we must all die. The shadow of death is cast the moment we are born and becomes impossible to ignore as we grow older. We are mortal, yet we long for immortality, hence mankind’s near-universal belief---in one form or another---in the immortality of the soul. Some people cling to the Christian promise of “eternal life.” Others find an intimation of immortality in their children and grandchildren. Others in their work. Few, if any, can believe that when we die the curtain comes down and it’s lights out, nothing more.
Finally, I agree that every individual’s conception of the world is subjective, but largely shaped by the web of culture and belief in which that person grew up. And though there are many points of agreement shared by people who were raised in the same culture and belief system, a closer examination would show every individual’s conception of the world to be as unique as his fingerprint. And in matters of faith and belief, I agree with you, “no judging.” I can and will respect my fellow citizen’s right to believe what he will and practice his faith freely, provided he respects my right to do likewise and provided he does not attempt to impose his beliefs and values on me and the rest of society. Unfortunately the Christian Right, with its unabashed agenda of dissolving the separation between church and state and its equally unabashed design for theocratic rule, has no respect for this sacred liberty.
P.S. “take care,” If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from?
Let me first clarify that in saying I agree with “yes we…” re: judging religious leaders, I did not mean to imply I disagreed with your objection to the cheap-shot judgment rendered by the party who called all men pigs. As you said, it has to be understood in context---even that sardonic remark, which I assume was not intended as altogether serious.
It seems you are uncomfortable with the word “judgment” and prefer to call justifiable instances of it “sensible criticism.” Fine, it is a semantic difference. I would only observe that being “judged” need not have a negative connotation or in any way imply “stupid blaming without tolerance.” Parents judge their children, but are not intolerant of them. Likewise, teachers judge their students and employers their employees, but are not intolerant of them. But I understand your point, for being “judgmental” has come to mean intolerant. It’s probably best we invent a whole new word. And I’m with you in regard of those “judgmental” sorts whom I refer to as sanctimonious crapsters---like Jerry Falwell et al. A nationally conspicuous, self-declared born-again Christian, Falwell is the embodiment of hypocrisy for whom “stupid blaming without tolerance” doesn’t go far enough! One would want to add blaming without a factual basis, as he did after 9/11 when he outrageously declared that 9/11 was God’s wrath visited on the nation for the iniquity of homosexuals!
So, I am now judging Falwell and if I understand you correctly, you maintain we should never, nor do we have a right to judge others (“lest we be judged?”) Are you making the scriptural argument, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?” And are you further claiming that such judgments have been the root cause of all religious wars? I certainly would not entirely disagree, seeing that wars of religion have accounted for and continue to account for so much human slaughter—and all in the name of God! Of the world’s major religions, only Buddhism has the distinction of never having a war fought in its name. That said, I think it naïve to suppose the simple decision to remain silent rather than point a judgmental finger would avert war. And the problems are not confined to conflicts between one religion and another. Take the pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church. Could this have been mitigated if the laity had exposed these abuses generations ago instead of paying obsequious deference to the clergy and the Church hierarchy that covered it up, somehow persuading itself that the supposed sanctity of their office and the Church’s image superseded in importance any consideration for the victims of these pedophile priests. Granted these priests are only human, but so are their victims, and a failure to judge the former results in a grave injustice to the latter. So, what I’m saying is sometimes saying nothing causes as much or more harm as speaking out, and speaking out constitutes a legitimate and necessary judgment. Here judgment does not cause an evil, but serves as a corrective. A laissez faire approach perpetuates the problem by failing to make this judgment.
The main problem in making a judgment, either as an individual or as a member of a group, is not that the party doing the judging thinks he (or a group) is better than the other person (or group). The real problem is making sure a judgment is made for the right reasons, at the right time, in the right way and in the right measure. This is the test of legitimacy. The problem of one party thinking he is better than another only arises when a judgment is not legitimate.
You certainly would not be the first to say the “era of faith and religion” has passed. I think this is what Nietzsche had in mind when he declared---much to people’s horror---that “God is dead.” Even more cynically he said, “The last Christian died on Calvary.” You also echo Marx in saying religion is “the lot of weak and restricted people.” Marx called religion the “opium of the people,” with which I agree, but not without qualifications. Later Freud called religion an illusion born of an infantile need for a father figure. This interpretation certainly is seductive, and it fits very neatly into Freud’s own Psychoanalytic Theory, but it is overly reductive and precludes any discussion of the near-infinite variety of religious experiences, a rich survey of which can be found in Wm. James lectures, “The Varieties of Religious Experience.”
In the end, it seems to me the religious impulse (with or without the institution) boils down to this: Man longs for something larger than himself and he wants to make sense of his world and his place in it. What’s more, whether he is a member of an organized religion, privately religious, or without any conscious belief about the eternal or transcendent world, the common denominator of human existence is that we must all die. The shadow of death is cast the moment we are born and becomes impossible to ignore as we grow older. We are mortal, yet we long for immortality, hence mankind’s near-universal belief---in one form or another---in the immortality of the soul. Some people cling to the Christian promise of “eternal life.” Others find an intimation of immortality in their children and grandchildren. Others in their work. Few, if any, can believe that when we die the curtain comes down and it’s lights out, nothing more.
Finally, I agree that every individual’s conception of the world is subjective, but largely shaped by the web of culture and belief in which that person grew up. And though there are many points of agreement shared by people who were raised in the same culture and belief system, a closer examination would show every individual’s conception of the world to be as unique as his fingerprint. And in matters of faith and belief, I agree with you, “no judging.” I can and will respect my fellow citizen’s right to believe what he will and practice his faith freely, provided he respects my right to do likewise and provided he does not attempt to impose his beliefs and values on me and the rest of society. Unfortunately the Christian Right, with its unabashed agenda of dissolving the separation between church and state and its equally unabashed design for theocratic rule, has no respect for this sacred liberty.
P.S. “take care,” If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from?
RE: question for guys
We were raised to hate communism and communists. As we got older most of realized that all people are largely at the mercy of their politicians. One thing CC has taught me. Russians are no different than Americans in most ways. They are smart and funny and they like most everything we like. They have a great spirit and to my surprise they are incredibly loyal to their country and feel it has a great future. Would I marry a Russian? I would marry a woman who was good for me and I was good for her. A woman who would make me want to be a better man. Regardless of where she was from.
RE: question for guys
I am from the USA. First, I was not "raised" to hate anyone. Second, I am not totally at the "mercy" of anyone, let alone politicians as long as I have free-will and the ability to think. As for the original question, it is totally irrelevant and ridiculous. We are all humans and that is all that is relevant.
RE: question for guys
<<I am from the USA. First, I was not "raised" to hate anyone.>>
Perhaps you're younger? You really need to be a Boomer to have been raised to "hate," or at least not trust, Russians.
<<Second, I am not totally at the "mercy" of anyone, let alone politicians as long as I have free-will and the ability to think.>>
We all are, regardless of what you say. For instance, you may be against the war in Iraq, yet your tax dollars are going there nonetheless.
<<As for the original question, it is totally irrelevant and ridiculous. We are all humans and that is all that is relevant.>>
That she asked it makes it relevent, because she is human and deserves a thoughtful answer.
Perhaps you're younger? You really need to be a Boomer to have been raised to "hate," or at least not trust, Russians.
<<Second, I am not totally at the "mercy" of anyone, let alone politicians as long as I have free-will and the ability to think.>>
We all are, regardless of what you say. For instance, you may be against the war in Iraq, yet your tax dollars are going there nonetheless.
<<As for the original question, it is totally irrelevant and ridiculous. We are all humans and that is all that is relevant.>>
That she asked it makes it relevent, because she is human and deserves a thoughtful answer.
RE: question for guys
I AM AN AMERICA, I was raised not to hate anyone ,except don't trust the blacks , Russia is our enemy and it is a evil empire,don't turn your back on a Mexican.
I went into the army where I was trained to kill Russians on the battle field before they killed me.
I do not dislikes Russians,blacks,orr Mexicans.We are all the same,deep down all we want is a good safe life and the best for our famillies.
Also remember the vast majority of American ,their ancestors came for some where other than America,so why should I care where the person you are marrying is from aslong as the marrage isn't pure economic reasons
I went into the army where I was trained to kill Russians on the battle field before they killed me.
I do not dislikes Russians,blacks,orr Mexicans.We are all the same,deep down all we want is a good safe life and the best for our famillies.
Also remember the vast majority of American ,their ancestors came for some where other than America,so why should I care where the person you are marrying is from aslong as the marrage isn't pure economic reasons
RE: question for guys
ok, then i'll share my thoughts too :P
it's clear from your question - u dont believe yourself that America "really has such a bad conception about Russia" and of course all sensible people understand - it doesnt depend on nationality, but it depends on personality, regardless what country a person came from :P ...though we might get some information from mass media that America and Russia hate each other, but i think they mostly dance to politicians piping.:P ...the more u r reminded of any kind of bad conception towards some country - the more u believe it and have it like your own idea....come on, let's rather love each other ....life is wonderful! :D
it's clear from your question - u dont believe yourself that America "really has such a bad conception about Russia" and of course all sensible people understand - it doesnt depend on nationality, but it depends on personality, regardless what country a person came from :P ...though we might get some information from mass media that America and Russia hate each other, but i think they mostly dance to politicians piping.:P ...the more u r reminded of any kind of bad conception towards some country - the more u believe it and have it like your own idea....come on, let's rather love each other ....life is wonderful! :D
RE: answer for girls
good grief what kind of question is that,, americans would married any kind of woman from anywhere if their heart, soul, friendship and caring for each other, it wouldnt bother us americans if she was from hell---cool and by the way i am not going to answer the forum that xxxfluffyxxx wrote on signs that you're a drunk, ok---party on room
RE: question for guys
we all have preconceptions of "the other" person - our culture and upbringing does have an influence on us - none of us are as independent-thinking as we think - there are good and bad people in all places - i hope she will leave russia without too many regrets, because I could never live there, i am scared of the direction putin is taking russia
RE: question for guys
<<i just wonder if America really has such a bad conception about Russia>>
Bad in what way?
<<would you marry a girl from Russia?>>
Yes, but she won't marry me. :P
Bad in what way?
<<would you marry a girl from Russia?>>
Yes, but she won't marry me. :P
RE: question for guys
For the older generation… the ones who went through the cold war…. I am sure you will still find some who hang on to the “evil Russia” beliefs… but there is a new generation of us out here now… rough guess… 40 years and younger maybe…. Who do not see Russia or any of the former Soviet block this way.
Personally…. I do not give a dam where a person is from, friend or lover. What I look at is the person, are they nice? Are they kind? Are they caring? Are they a decent person? This also applies for religion… I do not give a dam about that either! A person is a person and where they are from or what God they believe in is just all secondary to me.
So dear Russian host…. Care to get married luv? :))))
Personally…. I do not give a dam where a person is from, friend or lover. What I look at is the person, are they nice? Are they kind? Are they caring? Are they a decent person? This also applies for religion… I do not give a dam about that either! A person is a person and where they are from or what God they believe in is just all secondary to me.
So dear Russian host…. Care to get married luv? :))))
RE: question for guys
I know the nice answer is to say that we're all individuals and human and countries don't matter. Sure, some of us are so independent and free-thinking and aware that this is true. But my impression is that Russia and the USA are different in some important ways, and people marrying across this line are fools if they don't think about this. It's not that one is good and the other bad, they're just different. A few thoughts:
1. Russians seem more family-oriented. Plenty of Americans have children that they don't seem to want to raise, or really spend that much time with. The Russians I've known would walk through fire for their kids.
2. Russian women work outside the home as much as American women, but it seems less normal for the Russian woman's job to be the "power" job in the family, with the bigger pay and status.
3. Americans are more mobile. They're less likely to live near their parents, brothers, sisters and may go weeks or months without talking to them.
4. Americans are more trusting, at least to start with. They don't just assume everybody is out to scam them, or that somebody must be getting screwed. They think that they are playing by the rules and they expect others to do the same.
5. Russian women are more jealous than American women (and I'm not just basing this on cc). I've heard that this is because Russian guys are more likely to cheat, but I have no way of knowing if this is true or not.
6. Russian guys come across as sexist to Americans. American guys come across as wimpy to Russians.
7. Russians (and most foreigners) have no idea how hard Americans work and how much they hate to lose. They think it just rains money in the USA, and it doesn't. And the US is a bad country to be poor in.
8. Russia is much more centralized than the US. There is Moscow and St-Pb, cosmopolitan wealthy cities... and then there is the rest of the country. The USA is not just New York and LA, and smaller American cities are not necessarily dumps (some are, too).
That said, I could marry a Russian, but I would be careful. I would want to be sure we both knew what we were getting in to, and had seen the other person in the city we would be living in, not just as a tourist (and for God's sake not just on the phone or webcam).
1. Russians seem more family-oriented. Plenty of Americans have children that they don't seem to want to raise, or really spend that much time with. The Russians I've known would walk through fire for their kids.
2. Russian women work outside the home as much as American women, but it seems less normal for the Russian woman's job to be the "power" job in the family, with the bigger pay and status.
3. Americans are more mobile. They're less likely to live near their parents, brothers, sisters and may go weeks or months without talking to them.
4. Americans are more trusting, at least to start with. They don't just assume everybody is out to scam them, or that somebody must be getting screwed. They think that they are playing by the rules and they expect others to do the same.
5. Russian women are more jealous than American women (and I'm not just basing this on cc). I've heard that this is because Russian guys are more likely to cheat, but I have no way of knowing if this is true or not.
6. Russian guys come across as sexist to Americans. American guys come across as wimpy to Russians.
7. Russians (and most foreigners) have no idea how hard Americans work and how much they hate to lose. They think it just rains money in the USA, and it doesn't. And the US is a bad country to be poor in.
8. Russia is much more centralized than the US. There is Moscow and St-Pb, cosmopolitan wealthy cities... and then there is the rest of the country. The USA is not just New York and LA, and smaller American cities are not necessarily dumps (some are, too).
That said, I could marry a Russian, but I would be careful. I would want to be sure we both knew what we were getting in to, and had seen the other person in the city we would be living in, not just as a tourist (and for God's sake not just on the phone or webcam).
RE: question for guys
I visited Russia in 1998 and enjoyed it very much. I have great respect for Russian culture. Its history is rich if often tragic. I love Russian Literature & Russian Music.
It's tragic what's going on now. The Russian ecomomy is not doing well, the Russian Mafia seem to be more in control than Putin .
I would marry a Russian girl, but not through one of the many scam Russian ageny
It's tragic what's going on now. The Russian ecomomy is not doing well, the Russian Mafia seem to be more in control than Putin .
I would marry a Russian girl, but not through one of the many scam Russian ageny
RE: Signs That You're A Drunk
i got into a fight with myself because i wouldn't buy me a drink when it was my shout :--))
RE: Signs That You're A Drunk
very funny Fluffy :P I am wondering why Chaser wont answer now :P
bemybabes
hon i am missing you,,,,,,,,,she found out again lol's sorry ill be back so soon for you ,,,,,miss you sam kisssssssssssss
RE: bemybabes
coz i had to end the membership ,,,,,,stupid ,,,,,,you can still put in a post even as a guest ,,,,,,,,,,thats why ok
RE: bemybabes
True, but it would still surely have been more appropriate to say these things in an e mail or SMS to the host personally. Do you not know her phone number etc? perhaps you're not as close as you believe.
RE: bemybabes
Someone asks a simple question and you have to reply with 3rd grade name calling...sheezz
RE: bemybabes
UR the one that got caught on here by ur wife and ur calling ANYONE stupid???? LOOOOL GO take a look in the mirror!!!! LOL
RE: bemybabes
haha, somebody got busted with the ole internet cyber relationship.
but then again, bemy is a good girl to sal sal with...
but then again, bemy is a good girl to sal sal with...
Back to the Future
typo and make believe--<<>>{}{}-`````````~~~00----what do you think about ()()--+=//[][]#
RE: Back to the Future
chase hun, please come back home, i missed you dear, the house is lonely without you here,,, sell that bike, quit your drinking and come back-ok
are we getting along. yet?
The Jewish school where half the pupils are Muslim
King David, in Birmingham, is a state primary where the children learn Hebrew, recite Jewish prayers, eat kosher food and wave Israeli flags. So how come the majority of pupils are followers of Islam? Jonathan Margolis investigates
http://education.independent.co.uk/schools/article2201860.ece
King David, in Birmingham, is a state primary where the children learn Hebrew, recite Jewish prayers, eat kosher food and wave Israeli flags. So how come the majority of pupils are followers of Islam? Jonathan Margolis investigates
http://education.independent.co.uk/schools/article2201860.ece
this one? Virgin gets help
Hospice helped dying man lose his virginity - by Stewart Payne
Last Updated: 6:15pm GMT 31/01/2007
A young disabled man who receives care for his life-limiting illness at a hospice run by a nun spoke yesterday of his decision to use a prostitute to experience sex before he dies.
Sister Frances Dominica gave her support to 22-year-old Nick Wallis, who was born with Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Sufferers usually die by their thirties.
Mr Wallis told staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford that he wanted to experience sexual intercourse. He explained that he had hoped to form an intimate and loving relationship with a woman, but his disability had acted as a barrier.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/27/nvirgin27.xml
Last Updated: 6:15pm GMT 31/01/2007
A young disabled man who receives care for his life-limiting illness at a hospice run by a nun spoke yesterday of his decision to use a prostitute to experience sex before he dies.
Sister Frances Dominica gave her support to 22-year-old Nick Wallis, who was born with Duchenne muscular dystrophy. Sufferers usually die by their thirties.
Mr Wallis told staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford that he wanted to experience sexual intercourse. He explained that he had hoped to form an intimate and loving relationship with a woman, but his disability had acted as a barrier.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/27/nvirgin27.xml
RE: this one? Virgin gets help
Did he cum and go at the same time?
The British are cummiong!
The British are cumming!
The British are cummiong!
The British are cumming!
RE: are we getting along. yet?
I think the bigger bully students said they were head cutters and told the smaller weaker students if they wanted to go back home to mum and pup at the end of the day they would become part of the " IN GROUP " Muslim... or bend over and kiss their ass... oops I mean Head goodbye
RE: are we getting along. yet?
They aren't allowed to have fun or be happy, it's part of their religion. They just pray all day.
RE: are we getting along. yet?
Well, if they are in a big crowd, they are probably pissed off because their detinators are malfunctioning.
Doctor, oh doctor!!
Twenty Top Docs Named In Sex Scandal Friday February 2, 11:09 AM
A Sarajevo hospital is reeling after a nurse named 20 senior doctors as the potential father of her recently born son. News of the scandal came after a list was drawn up for the director of the Kosevo hospital. A Sarajevo weekly magazine said the nurse, identified only as Merima F, gave birth to a healthy baby boy last month.
Slobodna Bosna magazine claims the nurse asked the hospital management to investigate and determine who fathered the child.
"These rumors exist, but here at the hospital the word is that 15 doctors are on the list," Biljana Andric, spokeswoman for the Kosevo hospital said.
However, we do not have any official information to share with the press and are looking into the case."
The spokeswoman confirmed only that a nurse called Merima works for the hospital and has given birth to a baby boy.
The magazine described the list as "impressive", and claims it includes some of city's most prominent public figures.
The magazine said Merima explains her promiscuity with the fact that "all the potential fathers" promised to boost her social status.
A Sarajevo hospital is reeling after a nurse named 20 senior doctors as the potential father of her recently born son. News of the scandal came after a list was drawn up for the director of the Kosevo hospital. A Sarajevo weekly magazine said the nurse, identified only as Merima F, gave birth to a healthy baby boy last month.
Slobodna Bosna magazine claims the nurse asked the hospital management to investigate and determine who fathered the child.
"These rumors exist, but here at the hospital the word is that 15 doctors are on the list," Biljana Andric, spokeswoman for the Kosevo hospital said.
However, we do not have any official information to share with the press and are looking into the case."
The spokeswoman confirmed only that a nurse called Merima works for the hospital and has given birth to a baby boy.
The magazine described the list as "impressive", and claims it includes some of city's most prominent public figures.
The magazine said Merima explains her promiscuity with the fact that "all the potential fathers" promised to boost her social status.
i hate
i hate when i check members profiles and see pics that are over a m onth old as the most "recent" pics.
RE: i hate
when i check hosts profiles and they are months old :P at least 1 or 2 new pics each week... or every 2 weeks... dont even have to be naked... just new! :)
RE: i hate
I hate it when you look through the photos and it's 200 pics of the same headshot. Kinda reminds me of a highschool yearbook.
Belmont High Football Rules!!
Belmont High Football Rules!!
Just a question.
This is just a question that I would like answered honestly. Have you ever lied to a member of the opposite sex to get them to have sex with you? If so,what was the lie that worked??
RE: Just a question.
i hope you're taking the fucking piss.... dude... go make up your own lies if your so desperate to con a woman into having sex with you... better still hire a prostitute!
RE: Just a question.
I have used one lie that worked. I told the woman that I was moving very far away and it was my last night in town to be with her. It worked. It was just a question so relax. I was just curious to know if anyone else has used a lie for sex.
RE: Just a question.
wow,good question.i don't have to lie,no women will have sex with me no matter what i say to them.LOLOLOL
RE: Just a question.
Lied with someone to get sex? Are you kidding?
I lie when I'm having sex..."Oh baby, you are the best" (titties look like a half sucked milk dud).
"Mmmm, you're tight" (please god, don't let me fall in and drown)
"That was fantastic" (Did I just commit necrophelia? Cuz it felt like I fucked a dead girl).
"I'm gonna call you :)" (you'll never see me again unless I'm drunk and desperate)
I lie when I'm having sex..."Oh baby, you are the best" (titties look like a half sucked milk dud).
"Mmmm, you're tight" (please god, don't let me fall in and drown)
"That was fantastic" (Did I just commit necrophelia? Cuz it felt like I fucked a dead girl).
"I'm gonna call you :)" (you'll never see me again unless I'm drunk and desperate)
RE: Just a question.
because MOST... not all... but MOST men are pigs Gort :-) take your time in trusting them :))
RE: Just a question.
If most men are pigs, what does that say about the women that fuck them?
Hhmmm? Ask yourself that one.
Hhmmm? Ask yourself that one.
RE: Just a question.
that would make them kind and caring of course! duhhh!!!
and of course i was not refering to actually 4 legged pigs... just in their chilidish ways
and of course i was not refering to actually 4 legged pigs... just in their chilidish ways
RE: Just a question.
I'm telling to the guys: Ohh, pls, stop to think about yr business now, let's make sex now and later i'll help u in yr business..." It allways works ;)!!!
question
I have a question for all here. Have you ever lied to a member of the opposite sex to get them to have sex with you?? If so, what was the lie that worked?? Oops, I guess that was two questions. Sorry. LOL. Honest answers here people please. Yes, I have and my lie that worked was I was moving very far away and that it would be my last night in town before I moved.
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i just like to know who is using cc more guys from the UK or USA ,,
or even AUSSIE ,,,,,,,,,,
and from the host point who is full of crap more lol's .......this shall get the backs up i guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cumon girl's its your turn now let it out ...........we all want to know pls..........
or even AUSSIE ,,,,,,,,,,
and from the host point who is full of crap more lol's .......this shall get the backs up i guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!cumon girl's its your turn now let it out ...........we all want to know pls..........
RE: % %%%%%%%%%%%%%5
does it matter? you think that men are less pig like in one country then another? nope... they are all little piggies for sure... does not matter UK, US, or Aussie land.... or spain, italy, russia, romania, thailand, japan... or where ever else you might be from :D
RE: you think?
Some have to be drunk...have you seen some of these ladies?
Talk about butter face...as in "She has a nice body, butter face looks like someone used it for batting practice.
Talk about butter face...as in "She has a nice body, butter face looks like someone used it for batting practice.
Joke (2 of 2)
Apparently Dawn French has been arrested for smuggling at Heathrow airport. She was going commando in a mini skirt and when she bent over revealed 40 kilos of crack.
Joke (1of 2)
What did the cannibal do after he dumped his girlfriend? .........................................................................Reach for the paper.
RE: a little story
An amazing story. Thank you for sharing :) Do you have any with lesbians in them ?
RE: a little story
Moral of the story...Never get married, you'll only end up alone playing with yourself.
RE: Anybody knows freeda?
Do you know who this person Freeda they keep talking about is??? Who is she? Where is she??? Can you introduce me?? :-D
RE: Anybody knows freeda?
It is freeda with a small f, and you are probably better off not knowing.
RE: Anybody knows freeda?
The Wonderer is much better forgotten
Freeda on the other hand... well better to remember her lovely smile for sure :-))
Freeda on the other hand... well better to remember her lovely smile for sure :-))
RE: Anybody knows freeda?
Hey, numbnuts, just because she has banned you for being an arschloche
men are like...
laxatives,they irritate the crap out of you
bananas,the older they get the less firm they are
weather,nothing can be done to change them
blenders,you need 1 but you're not quite sure why
commercials,you can't believe a word they say
government bonds,they take soooooooooo long to mature
mascara,they usually run at the first sign of emotion
popcorn,they satisfy you but only for a little while
snowstorms,you never know when they're coming,how many inches you'll get or how long it will last
lava lamps,fun to look at but not very bright
More women are not marrying these days,why?because they have realised it's not worth buying a pig to get a little sausage!!
bananas,the older they get the less firm they are
weather,nothing can be done to change them
blenders,you need 1 but you're not quite sure why
commercials,you can't believe a word they say
government bonds,they take soooooooooo long to mature
mascara,they usually run at the first sign of emotion
popcorn,they satisfy you but only for a little while
snowstorms,you never know when they're coming,how many inches you'll get or how long it will last
lava lamps,fun to look at but not very bright
More women are not marrying these days,why?because they have realised it's not worth buying a pig to get a little sausage!!
RE: men are like...
"because they have realised it's not worth buying a pig to get a little sausage!!" Really now? Kinda brings to mind the old saying, "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"
Is there a worse show then....
Jerry Springer Show? How do people sit there and watch such a horrible show? Ok.. sure once... to see the pathetic folks... but more then that? Come on....it is mindless dribble.
RE: Is there a worse show then....
lol Judge Judy,how about it?
Springer is a stupid show ,actors are so bad sometimes-they make me laugh so much.But consider this-all the situations taken from real life...or at least some of them.That makes you think-how stupid people can be? Well..worth watching once or twice..then booooring!
Springer is a stupid show ,actors are so bad sometimes-they make me laugh so much.But consider this-all the situations taken from real life...or at least some of them.That makes you think-how stupid people can be? Well..worth watching once or twice..then booooring!
RE: Is there a worse show then....
Dr Who and its retarded crew gets my vote. What a joke of a show.
RE: Is there a worse show then....
Oh come now!
There are worse shows then mine!
Soaps, the wuzzy fuzzy shows
any childrens show!
There are worse shows then mine!
Soaps, the wuzzy fuzzy shows
any childrens show!
RE: Is there a worse show then....
I always thought that Jerry Springer and CC were a lot alike. If you think otherwise then you are sadly mistaken.
RE: Is there a worse show then....
Caught a Springer-esque talk show in St. Petersburgh once. The guests on stage were a couple, the guy revealing the bombshell that he was having a homo-fling with the chick's dad. Ho-hum, I know, but the weird thing was the audience - where people would be hooting and laughing and convulsing in stupidity on Springer, the camera would pan the Russin audience and they were all sitting there, stone-faced and taking it all seriously. It was surreal.
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The Wonderer show?? I thought i heard some dribble come from your mouth just now
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Even though smarm-hound pimps like the producers of Jerry Springer and similar shows select and shamelessly manipulate people from the lowest social ranks, there is still evidence to support most of your conclusion for the American population in general. Consider this:
1) Stupid? Yes. The majority, albeit a slim majority, of American voters elected George Bush not just once, but twice!
2)Fat? You bet! 60% of the American population is obese.
3)Ugly? Probably no more than people from any other nation.
4)Poor? The ranks of the poor are on the increase in America as the the gap continues to widen between the rich and the poor.
5) Badly dressed? Apart from the denizens of fashion centers like New York and Hollywood, Americans are not a very well-dressed lot.
1) Stupid? Yes. The majority, albeit a slim majority, of American voters elected George Bush not just once, but twice!
2)Fat? You bet! 60% of the American population is obese.
3)Ugly? Probably no more than people from any other nation.
4)Poor? The ranks of the poor are on the increase in America as the the gap continues to widen between the rich and the poor.
5) Badly dressed? Apart from the denizens of fashion centers like New York and Hollywood, Americans are not a very well-dressed lot.
RE: Is there a worse show then....
I'm not familiar with it. I gather it's like the word of the day calendar?
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Stupidest show on TV?
"Deal or No deal", Minimal education required to play, any retard can pick a box and say deal or no deal.
The only thing dumber than playing it, is watching it.
"Deal or No deal", Minimal education required to play, any retard can pick a box and say deal or no deal.
The only thing dumber than playing it, is watching it.
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tis similar to a soccer match but there is no tear gas and people aren't killed.
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thats becuase its the most boring game in the world and it dont excite anybody..
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ahh soccer hooligans! ..where the only excitement is when tear gas is in the air and people are dying...surpasses endless discussions of how the referees blew another game and which team dives and fakes injury more...now that's excitement!
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just bites the big one.... get real, give up the sport! adopt soccer or rugby.... real mans games! :P
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brits are great swimmers too.....and dont they have that wimbledon thing...when did a brit last win that anyway?
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that's why in the last 100 years sports are being created in USA, basketball, volleyball, skateboarding, surfing among others...aren't you still playing lawn tennis and croquet? cucumber sandwiches anyone?
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usa invents insular sports & calls themselves world champions.how can that be when they are the ONLY country competing?
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there is a world "cup" in baseball...first one held last year, japan won...not much interest in the states yet but maybe next time. Lot of problems with the way it is conducted and when...during us spring training, players not in form.
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no one who knows baseball would contend that the world series in MLB in the states i not the two best teams in the world.....the best players of all the other countries who play baseball(caribbean and asia rim) send their best ballpayers to the league. It was named that when USA was the only country that played, now others do, but the best worldwide play in the USA.
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yes but you are never world champions only champions of your country full stop!
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and what sport inventions has britain given the world in the last 100 years? and the world championship of dental overbites doesnt count!
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im an american and ancestors are italian....british americans are a relatively small minority of americans.
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we are not children of just the brits... but most of the world
children the same, with crappy little sports games... but we are not just brits for sure :))
children the same, with crappy little sports games... but we are not just brits for sure :))
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yeah, surfing, skateboarding, volleyball, snowboarding, basketball, baseball, windsurfing...insular! lol
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it is insular when your major sports are the one's you call the champion of your country world champion.that is the point of the post full stop!!
English as a second language
NO SPEAKAH DE ENGLISH
>
>A bus stops and 2 men get on. They sit down and engage in an animated
>conversation. The lady sitting next to them ignores them at first, but
>her attention is galvanized when she hears one of them say the
>following:
>
> "Emma come first.
> Den I come.
> Den two asses come together.
> I come once-a-more!
> Two asses, they come together again.
> I come again and pee twice.
> ;Then I come one lasta time."
>
>The lady can't take this any more, "You foul-mouthed sex obsessed pig,"
>she retorted indignantly. "In this country, we don't speak aloud in
>Public places about our sex lives.
>
>"Hey, coola down lady," said the man."Who talkin' abouta sex? I'm a
>justa tellin' my frienda how to spell ' Mississippi '."
>
>$5.00 says you're gonna read this again!
>
>A bus stops and 2 men get on. They sit down and engage in an animated
>conversation. The lady sitting next to them ignores them at first, but
>her attention is galvanized when she hears one of them say the
>following:
>
> "Emma come first.
> Den I come.
> Den two asses come together.
> I come once-a-more!
> Two asses, they come together again.
> I come again and pee twice.
> ;Then I come one lasta time."
>
>The lady can't take this any more, "You foul-mouthed sex obsessed pig,"
>she retorted indignantly. "In this country, we don't speak aloud in
>Public places about our sex lives.
>
>"Hey, coola down lady," said the man."Who talkin' abouta sex? I'm a
>justa tellin' my frienda how to spell ' Mississippi '."
>
>$5.00 says you're gonna read this again!
RE: English as a second language
i have to take it cuz i heard u have alligators arms that dont reach ur pockets:P