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That makes no sense at all! OPEN is for all to join and expect the show for the CATEGORY you chose to be in. There is no first come first serve. All members that come into IA or NSS should be able to expect a show and not a chat in progress. It doesn't say that at all in the rules or the category descriptions so where did you get that information from? Sounds like you are making up your own rules and if a member wants your undivided attention to chat for an hour then he knows he should take you private.
Also why would any host give one member a show in open and ignore the others or tell them to come back when all are paying members? That is stupid and the host wouldn't have the ability to make money off of several members in open which can far exceed what just one member pays. Open is just that....open session for many viewers at one time and if they are coming into hardcore they are NOT looking for a chat!
You are not following the way it was designed and there is no first come first serve in open and members know that. Why don't you?

As a member, I usually defer to the wishes of those in open ahead of me. Not because it's some rule of the site, but rather because it seems to me to be fucking rude to jump into and start making demands in a video session that may have been going on for hours with a single other member for all I know. If I enter an open session and like what I see, I stay - if I don't, I leave. To me, that's how things should be. But hey, that's only my opinion.
And just so you know, other than some vague references in the category descriptions as to what should be expected of a few categories, there aren't any real hard and fast rules about what hosts should or shouldn't do that are made known to members.

They are made known to hosts, however, and in not so shy and instant action, they are supposed to do more than just strip. Hosts know this, at least they should so nude chat in these categories with the first member doesn't technically get the host off the hook when the second member is asking for more depending upon what the request is.

Sorry but your wrong...in not so shy category a host is required to get nude when asked to do so without asking for one to one...but if anything else is wanted besides removing her clothing then the member should check with the host and her profile first.,....

You are basing that on the category descriptions, not the rules the host agrees to when she chooses her category. When she chooses the category, she agrees to masturbate in not so shy and insert in instant action. She can't just lay there under the rules if the member wants more. It is not nude chat. Action is required when requested. Other sites have nude only "chat", CC does not.

Personally, as long as she is naked and dancing around or posing and not just laying there, I am happy. I have never reported anyone for not masturbating, let alone inserting, regardless of the rules. That is just too distasteful in my book.

Hosts know what the guests want and it is defined by categories so it is not a big hole of confusion. Open session was intended for viewers to come and go and see action in progress and there can be many viewers at the same time and yet the host shouldn't need instruction to entertain many at once especially in NSS or IA that are expecting nudity at least and in a timely manner. It's not about chatting for entertainment in those categories....lol. Special circumstance where viewers want specific things like chat or requests that she doesn't feel comfortable doing for all should be in 121 without question.

Very well said.

Whilst these might not be good trends for YOU, they may very well be the best for others.
Firstly, basically, in essence, you're a cheap skate. :D

Barging in on someone elses pvt in the hope that you hit the 'Juicy bit!'
Much a case of; You wanna ride the horse while someone else is paying for the hay!

Tough luck me thinks.

If a member is having a PVT session with a host, and he or she wants to chat, then thats just your tough luck.

For the hosts behaviour, it shows a good host, at least she's told you the equivalent ''Thanks, but no thanks.... Come back later''.
Thats pretty honest.

She could lead you up the garden path and take a few extra bucks of you. but she's got a good attitude.

This is a situation you're creating for yourself, by not initiating the PVT session.

It's not a bad trend either, maybe hosts and members are taking time to build up relationships (interpret as you wish) which maybe be both beneficial to them (as in each other) and also the CamContacts as a whole.

121's are frequently driven not just because of increased rates, but also as a result of privacy. Both Host and also (believe it or not) Members often prefer 121 or in some sites 'Closed Pvts' because they don't like people spying on them.
Other times they maybe exchanging personal information, as well as personal 'physical' aspects.

If the host is willing to ditch the potential revenue from having extra members spying / joining in, then she or he is potentially making a loss.

They've made their choices as hosts and members, its not your PVT session.
Bad luck, move on, or come back and do the 'leg work' yourself for the results you want. :p

Whilst I agree that the original poster seems to be a bit of a cheapskate if he enters an IA hosts video he is entitled to expect her to do a show regardless of whether there is someone already there who just wants to chat. If the chatter is a big spending regular of that host she has the option to do a password session for him or ask him to go 121.

That is why there is open session and 121 for private.

do members ever chat amongst themselves while in open session with a host? it always seemed odd that there would even be the option to message a host privately or broadcast a message to all in chat. is that another disadvantage of open compared to one2one? i mean you can't really complain if another member is there with you in open and he's asking how everyone else is enjoying their masturbating, can you?

ewwwwwwwwwwww. I hate that, lol. I wish the default was to type privately to the host instead of typing to all because things like that are exactly what happens. Some sites are such that typing to all is the norm but CC isn't like that so I wish they would change it. Making those type of comments just isn't the way CC generally works.

Also, what really is annoying is that when the member types to all and I am using full screen, the chat box pops up and blocks the view of the host. Then it goes away and the box pops up again when he types more. So I have to hear about how hard he is, et cetera and watch the chat box keep appearing.

I know I could go 121 but this is all about another member not being considerate in terms of what is the norm for behavior here. It most guys typed publicly and it was the culture here at CC, that would be different. But on CC, most people type just to one person so I think it is polite to type privately when typing as a member but perhaps others disagree.

You are not alone on that one...there are many members that do not want to be reading about another member saying how hard he is and what he is doing to himself...

some members get very nasty and crude with how they talk....and not all members want to read that from another member...

So no I think it is much better that members be able to type so only the host can read...heck even in free chat members talk nasty, crude and disrespectful to the host and other members will either leave, or say something....

There is a difference between saying how appealing or hot the host is...compared to...let me stick my hard throbbing c..k between your tits or show me your wet c..t while I wack my big hard throbbing d..k ...

altho some members like to talk like that ....it is not a good idea...to do that so all can read it.....not only can it turn other members off but it also disrespectful to everyone else who is trying to enjoy themselves too...

You must get the really rude ones because honestly it has been a lot of fun when the members can read each others compliments and comments and then respond to each other. It's never been a problem with rude ones writing in open because it is so rare. I am a shy host category btw. Sorry that you have such crude members that come to your room.

Actually sometimes it happens in open session that the viewers do type in open and they respond to each others comments (which are generally compliments to the host). I use a mic and so others hear what I say to other members.....

Maybe those viewers are in 121 because they just want to chat and do not want to be interrupted by cheap guys jumping into video expecting a show.

good gracious you people cant be serious about a host that much, let her do her show the way she wants to. If you have a problem she showing more attention to someone else besides you, either come back again some other time or find another host. It's not like cc has 6,780 host and 3,000 members

CC set up Open and 121 for a reason and not so that hosts can twist and turn it to fit what they want. Open is open for all members to come for a show regardless of who was first. 121 is for a private show by one member without interruption. Besides ignoring how it is supposed to work you are also turning away members and losing a lot of money from not entertaining all that come into open simultaneously.

You are not turning away other members who enter an ongoing session...you are simply giving them the choice to either stay and watch the show or to come back when they can go one to one...

So who are you to tell hosts that they are doing their show wrong when they have already started doing a strip for someone who was already in there...

I can see your point if more than one member comes in at the same time wanting the strip to be different....then fine...but if a member was already in the open session...just you and him.....then I do not see anything wrong with doing a strip the way he asks....and then when others join.. they can see the show is already happening...so they have the choice to either sit and watch or come back...

I don't like your approach where you are basically saying you jump into the middle of a shows apparently to save time and money. That's not a strategy that should be used on CC, and I know most hosts hate it. Well, wait, while I haven't talked to them all, I think it is safe to say that ALL hosts hate it, lol. As a member, I also hate it since it is annoying to hear "incoming contacts", then "goodbye" two seconds later.

Still, the host can request you to come back later but you don't have to. She must strip under the rules for not so shy and instant action. It doesn't matter who got there first, how long the first guy was there, whether the guy is a regular or anything else. She simply doesn't have a choice under the rules, and a refusal to get naked for a member, even if 20 guys were already there just chatting for 5 hours, is wrong on her part.

If it bothers you that much, talk to CC about it. They broke the rules so ask for a credit. But the fact that this is your method of operation instead of just an occasional thing seems wrong.

I am not sure why you are looking for a fight, however. Why not just wait until she is free so you can be the first into open? I almost never enter video if someone is already there. But I will say that the hosts that are posting here that is just too damn bad for you are wrong. There is no first come, first served priority on CC in terms of the issue you are discussing so personally, if you are intent on doing what you are doing and are nicely asking for a show in not so shy and instant action, they should give you one. It is not your fault that the guy already there didn't want to pay for 121, that they didn't give a password, or that they didn't switch to soft core. Still, it is clearly best to just wait until nobody is in open instead of looking for problems.

"As a member, I also hate it since it is annoying to hear "incoming contacts", then "goodbye" two seconds later."
Maybe you are cheap also....try 121 if you dont want to be annoyed by other members....

Did I say that I expected to be all by myself in open session? No. Did I say "Hey. When I am in video, nobody else should enter?" No.

What I said was it is annoying to have members jumping in and out of video instead of just staying there. What makes it annoying is the sounds you hear, not the fact that a member is entering video and leaving 2 seconds later. Yes, I rather have a host all to myself but so would most, if not all, members. But I make a choice about that issue when I go open versus 121.

If a member enters video and there is a show going on, what do I care? Let him watch. I most likely got there first and gave my cam so 90% of the time the host will give me her attention since she is watching me. Unless he starts typing publicly about how hard he is, I don't care what he does. And if I am just chatting with a host, again, let him chat too as long as he has enough respect for me that he types just to the host. The only problem I ever have is when the host stops her show and starts chatting just because another member entered. I don't think that is fair to me once the show began. But I agree, if I want to avoid that, I could just go 121.

What makes no sense is that it doesn't matter what is going on in video. If a host is in a show with me, the guy leaves. If she is just chatting with me, he just leaves. I know that the guy that leaves during a show might have just wanted to chat and the guy that wanted a show might leave because the host was just chatting. But it seems like there is a group of members here that just like interrupting video sessions to be a pain in the ass and that is what I find annoying.

I think the real point of your post just was to attack me, however. Do you feel better now? Or do you have some theory that anyone that doesn't go 121 at all times is cheap? And if you don't know my budget, how could you determine if I am cheap or not? Would an average bill of well over $1000/month make you no longer consider me to be cheap?

The original poster comes off as cheap because he has a strategy of allowing other guys to spend their money to warm the host up and then he jumps in to see the good stuff. I do nothing like that. I just think that in open session, guys shouldn't interrupt other guys in annoying ways. And I have had times when a host tells me that a guy wants a show when I was already there so I just go if I am not in the mood for the show. I don't tell her "Sorry, I was there first." because if I am just chatting, it was probably with a friend otherwise I would have already been getting a show too, lol.

I don't want to get in a measuring contest, but trust me, I highly doubt CC considers me cheap. They probably consider me a pain in the ass, but I doubt that they consider me cheap, lol.

If you choose to chat with a host in hardcore then you obviously should have gone to 121 since that isn't what it defines NSS or IA as.
Also, it most certainly is not rude for a host to acknowledge and converse with all the members in open as they enter and if they stay. She should be entertaining all in open not just you because you were first. Are you willing to pay her the price of the other members being ignored? Open is a chance for many members to watch a show and if you are into chatting and want her to ignore other members then pay 121 or offer her all the money she will lose by just giving you attention... That is the whole reason for Open Session!
If you said that in my open session then I'd ask you to leave and take me 121 when my room is open. She is there to make money not kiss your hiney and lose money.

I have no idea what you are talking about. You indicate that you are responding to me, but your comments seem to be directed at statements made by someone else. If you quote me so I know what you are saying, I can try to respond and perhaps clarify what I meant.

Just to address the general point, I never said anything along the lines that a host should not pay attention to everyone in open. I simply have said in posts that I think that if requests are conflicting that she should defer to the first member but in not so shy and instant action get naked at a minimum. And I also said once she starts a show, she shouldn't stop it just because another guy enters. I don't mean that she shouldn't say hello, but she shouldn't go so far as to stop the show. She can say "hi, hope you enjoy", for example. She most likely agreed to do a show if soft core or is required to give a show in hard core so I don't think she should just stop. Perhaps you disagree.

Other than this, I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to,

That theory makes no sense at all. Why do think they have open session? For just one member? Not at all but for any member to jump in the middle if they choose and if it's in hardcore there should be the promised show going on!! The host and CC makes alot of money from several in open at once.
Your theory is way out there.... You sound like the cheap one that wants exclusivity so you don't have to pay for private!!
Don't bash others for wanting to join in a show that should already be happening....that is why they have open...open to all....duh.

Hosts must love you, lol. Or based on the ??, maybe you just are a host looking to attack me at every turn. :)

There is not a requirement that a host must strip in not so shy and instant action IF nobody in video asks for her to do so. Therefore, just because somebody is in open session, that doesn't mean a show is going on. What this guy is doing is jumping around looking for ongoing shows to save time and money. Isn't this obvious to you?

I've chatted with hosts in all categories. Why do you seem to be saying that CC is set up so that I am not supposed to just chat in Not so shy and Instant Action? Where do you get that from?

Do I go to open and hope to save some money? Yes. But I never feel that I am in charge just because I got there first and everyone else should just stay away. If it is soft core, and we are just chatting, I hope the host will continue just to chat when another guy enters, but if she decides to do a show, that is her right. If it is hard core, and we are just chatting, she is required to do a show if another guy asks. I understand this too. What's the issue here?

And just because I rather spend less money in video so I can stay longer, how does that make me cheap? I paid $3000 in credit card bills in October for sites, most of which was spent on CC, but I am cheap? No, I am fucking idiot, lol, not cheap.

Cheapness is an attitude and a way of doing things. Saving money is not being cheap when you are still spending a lot Trying to capitalize on another member's efforts to get a host naked, however, IS cheap, and you seem to be endorsing this type of behavior.

Why pay more when usually there won't be interruptions in open video? I spend enough already. If there were many interruptions, I would go 121, but usually this isn't a problem so why spend more?. It just can get annoying to have guys jumping in and out all the time because of the sounds CC makes. But usually, when a guy enters, stays, and types just to the host, it isn't a big deal.

Not every guy can spend what I can. I understand. But that doesn't mean they need to be cheap and literally hang around stalking hosts' video sessions hoping for that magic moment when she will be naked so that he can minimize his spending levels.

Open is Open to all members to come and go as they please. They are not coming or going at your request or pleasure for sure. If you don't like the swinging door then you should do 121 and yes if you call another member cheap because he chooses to come into open which is open at all times while the host is online that is so rude! You should be the one in 121 if you want to dictate anything that happens in 121.
Personally I see a trend that you think all that you think is right and all others are wrong.....

LOL. I like how you single me out. Others made similar comments, and I even apologized later on for mine. The original poster seems a lot less offended than you do. Perhaps you should get over things a bit more easily.

And I never said that members can't come and go as they please. Of course they can. That is what open is all about, and obviously I can just leave if I don't like it and go 121.

I even said that if the original poster requested a show in not so shy and instant that the host under the rules should give him one even if she was chatting with someone already. I just wish that members jumping into open video weren't behaving in as an annoying fashion. Just because anyone can jump into open doesn't mean that they have to be annoying about it. You obviously don't understand what it means for us to have respect for one another here.

As for thinking that I am right and those that disagree with me are wrong, what else am I supposed to think, lol? And I do not always think that I am right. Obviously, at first I think that I am right, but if I see a reason to change my mind, then I acknowledge that. Once again, I apologized to the original poster when I felt that I went too far in calling him cheap. Is that the trait of someone that always thinks he is right, or does that show that I am a mature adult that is secure enough to recognize my own personal shortcomings?

Please try to stick to one name, be it ?, ?? or whatever else you choose. You don't have to do this, but it would be a lot easier for us to continue our debate on various issues. Plus, it would be easier for me to keep track of when you make valid points. I am still waiting for the first time by the way, lol.

I basically agree with wat you say but would like to add one thing. In IA the new member is entitled to expact the host to get naked soon after he enters the video. But in Not Shy the host is not oliged to get naked immediately. She can continue chatting for 5 or 10 minutes before beginning a show. Of course she should tell the new guy that this is what will happen and include him in the chat. He may still leave immediately and rate her bad but unfortunately it is impossible to please everyone.

Nooo it is not a new trend..just seems to be happening more and there are many reasons for what is happening on this site....one being that back then members seemed more understanding, less impatient, less demanding...and less hosts played the stupid stall games....it made things more relaxed...which in turn made hosts more willing to do more in open session sooner without the stalling....which led to more fun... back then members appreciated when a host said right away she was with someone and it might not be what you are wanting...and the member would say thank you for letting me know...and then decide if he was going to stay or not..

I do not and can not speak for instant action category ...because to me the title of it says it all..so there should be no problems regarding stalling and doing what ever is asked for instantly....if there are things certain things that you do not do then make sure you let people know right away...as well as in profile...

I agree..the person who is in video first...is the one that calls the shots...I also get members that like to chat a bit in open session to ask about what he wants...some regulars will come in open to say hello and just chat for a bit without maybe intending to have sexual content...and/or to arrange to come back later for the sexual content...or to say hi and see what the atmosphere is like...then go to closed session for sexual content...and yes I got that often when I was in not so shy category as well as now that I am in little shy....and all members should be respectful of this...and hosts should respect members and let them know the situation....

I agree a polite host will say to the others entering..that another was first and wants the clothes off different or wants different all together...your welcome to watch or your welcome to come back or you might want to find someone who is available to do your request right away...or something else in a polite way...it is common courtesy.....

I agree that in not so shy open session yes the host is required to be nude when the paying customer enters and asks....but to do anything else no she is not required to do anything else in an open session...the site clearly says.....nude is required when asked....for anything other than nude....check with the host and her profile first.......however..the site does not say that a member can enter an ongoing session and demand that the host tell the first paying member to piss off because you as the second paying member is more important....in any business....a customer that buts in and tries to push in front of another will be asked to please wait your turn..someone was ahead of you....the only time that will happen is if your in a hospital and another comes in more hurt than you and needs emergency medical attention...

I agree members are all paying customers...All members know if they enter open session (in any category, even not so shy category)...others will enter....and as long a host tells that "hey others will come in..so expect interruptions..that member has to be understanding of this ...and so do other members that enter an ongoing open session.....there are a few members who are in for just a chat that ....when they know another has entered will say if he wants u to strip then go ahead...but not many say that....lol.....as hosts many of us do not intentionally stall and do our best to please members....

I agree every paying member has a right to say what he wants and he has the right to say well that guys request sucks......but he does not have the right to expect a host to tell the first person to get lost as what he wants is not as important as what the second person wants...

for myself one of many reasons I left not so shy was because not only did I find it difficult to remove my clothes in three different ways and speeds at one time...(as often more than one member would want them off at different speeds) loool.... but also because a member would set the mood for the session..and other members that enter the ongoing session....knowing another was there first (either cos he was told or he can see it) and starts typing things like show me ur c..t...or sit on a dildo..or I want to see you f..k yourself....or other such explicit verses...yet the person in there first may want the clothing off but not the fast or he wants some clothing on while the more sexual content is happening...or he is not even ready to see the tonsils from between the legs.....let alone seeing things sticking out...not only does this change the whole mood but it is also very rude, unreasonable and can be a very big turn off which can cause a host to go from doing a spot on show to instantly drying up like Egypt in a sand storm..lool.

Many factors come into play with both members and hosts when it comes to how things go on this site...

that it my 50 cents worth...lol good luck everyone

If what's going on in an open session isn't to your liking, why can't you just come back when she's free? I don't get it.

Because it is open session and all paying members are welcome so she should turn her attention to accommodate all paying members that come into open. That would be rude to ask others to come back for one paying member in Open.

good lord, do you people practice at being so anal retentive?
it's like there are people here who have nothing better to do than parse "rules" just to have something to moan about. the kind of people that i'm sure are well-loved by the support team here at cc. you people must drive them all up a wall with your rules, lol.

Actually, they are CC's rules, lol. But in this particular case, I think that the original poster would be better off just waiting until the host was not with anyone if he is having so many problems. It is not so shy and instant action so I really don't understand why he is jumping into video anyway when he knows guys chat a lot.. The host must strip and she can't stall, especially in instant action, so if having all these problems, just wait until she is not with anyone, enter video, ask for a show, and complaint to CC and get a credit if she refuses. Yes, he has the right to jump in and the host should, under the rules, stop what she is doing and give a show, but I still don't know why he is seeking out problems and why others think that his strategy is a good one. It is like with this one host I know in not so shy that puts in her profile that she only strips 121. Do I go to her open and say "hey, strip, you have to" and get a credit when she won't? No, I just go 121.

The rules are important. The categories are here for a reason. And it is annoying when hosts don't follow the rules. But it seems like some guys are looking for problems.

One little addition to hosts that think they should just put only 121 in their profile when not so shy and instant action: 1) this host's 121 price is close to her open price so it wasn't a big deal to me and 2) the few times I saw her, I don't think I ever gave her 5 stars. I think that I gave 1 star or didn't vote because of her blatant violation of the rules no matter how much I may have liked her show. She just doesn't deserve a good rating. And if i saw this type of thing a lot, I probably would let CC know and post about it in the member forum to warn others. But one or two not so shy hosts isn't a big deal to me. And if I didn't read the profile ahead of time, in that case, I would have just left and reported her. So, in sum, her best hope was 121 and one star or my getting a credit and a letter from cc so it isn't exactly a strategy other hosts should follow.

" I really don't understand why he is jumping into video anyway when he knows guys chat a lot.."

No I don't know if guys are chatting or what they are doing in open session in any pvt, but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA. And I also said that the host did tell me in pvt chat there would be no show and to come back later and I did leave. And since I typed in pvt, the other viewer/viewers never knew I was there.

In cases where there was a show in progress, I sat quietly and made no requests. I was going to cam sites in the early days when there was no 121. I have been on sites where the hosts have fan clubs and once or twice a month they give free shows for their members. And there was never a problem between other members. The 121 option was started as a result of customer demand. And now in softcore and some hardcore rooms is used as a method to exact more money out of their customers by adding certain things to what they do in 121 over open vid.

There are 2 sites that I go to that leave the 121 option up to the host. The price remains the same. And the hosts calls the shots when it comes to 121 or open. And at one of these sites the host has to approve all who enter her pvt. That didn't use to be that way. I think in most cases she does this to accommodate her loyal regular viewers, although I'm sure there could be other reasons as well. I'm not suggesting any changes here, but I think any system any business has needs to be looked at from time to time to see if there may be some adjustment needed to make it work better. And there is nothing wrong with borrowing ideas from other companies engaged in the same business. Its all about improving service to your customers. Without customers, there is no business.

"No I don't know if guys are chatting or what they are doing in open session in any pvt, but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA."

I obviously know that you have no idea if she is just chatting until you get there. What I mean is that if this type of thing is happening so often and can be expected, why do you keep jumping into video? That makes no sense to me, and with all due respect, it comes off as cheap. You seem fair and reasonable so I apologize for any comments I made along those lines, but that still doesn't explain why you keep doing the same thing over and over and now are complaining about it. You do understand that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome, don't you? lol.

And answering "...but I do expect nude shows in NSS and IA" makes no sense either. You have been here from the pre 121, pre glamour days it seems, so you know darn well that guys just chat sometimes. I know that you said this is more of a recent problem for you, but are you really saying that prior to, what was it, two weeks ago, that you didn't enter video in hard core and find that the host was just chatting?

I can only repeat what I said before. This is not so shy and instant action we are talking about. Not so shy hosts must strip within 5 minutes according to the consensus (and most do it a lot faster by the way) and instant action hosts must strip right away. So why not just wait until the host is not with anyone and jump into open and get your show. If they won't perform or stall, leave and get a credit. It costs you nothing.

What turns you on about jumping into video so much? If the answer is you just like to watch and avoid that frustration of dealing with the pointless preliminary introductions when you really just want a show, it seems that you really have no choice given that a lot of guys like to chat regardless of category.

Nudity is only required if the member wants it in not so shy and instant action so it makes no sense to expect it. Maybe there is a trend that nudity in open is happening less and less now but that just means that what was once a reasonable expectation by you is no longer reasonable. You read the forums. You have been here a long time. You know perfectly well that the good old days are long gone, lol. It isn't just the last two weeks. So find a host that you like at a price that you like, wait for her to be alone, and go have fun. And if she is not so shy and instant action, just get a credit if she won't perform or stalls. Trend or no trend, the host still must follow the rules.

Yes the good old days are gone. And no I just don't troll the site looking for open video I can jump into. I only go to open vid if it is a host I have never seen before, sort of a kind of preview. Yes I like to watch, don't we all,? That's why we are here. Duh.

But anyway with so many hosts in non adult and softcore that love to talk, why do members go to hardcore to talk? And Its not talking about sex or a show but small talk bullshit. I know this because the hosts themselves have told me this. If I wanted to buy a car, I'd go to a car dealer not a bakery. I'd suggest letting the 121 thing be in the hands of each host and see how that works.

Because he is entitled to jump in Open whenever he chooses just like all members are....why don't you understand that? You have no right to ask him why because it isn't a private session and if you have a problem with that then you should pay the extra and use 121 for your time with hosts because you are totally out of line making comments to other members that are asking them what they are doing there and jumping in. He should be able to do what the shit he wants and not answer to you!!

Find me the statement made by me that said a member shouldn't jump into open session when I am there. The only thing I said was that it is annoying when they jump in and out all the time because the sound of incoming contacts and goodbye two seconds later gets annoying, NOT when they jump in, stay, type privately, and do nothing to interfere with the ongoing session.

As for my asking why he keeps jumping in and out, I asked because he has posted he is having a problem so I was trying to figure out his objective in doing the same thing over and over without success. I am trying to figure out what his goal is. We are having a discussion here so I am asking for additional information. What is wrong with that? And I made suggestions to help him avoid problems. You seem to take it a lot more personally than he does, lol.

You, and perhaps a few others, or maybe you are ?, ??, et cetera are determined to attack me. That is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. The problem is that you are not carefully reading what I am saying and therefore end of making attacks which are 100% misplaced. Perhaps English is not your first language. I don't know. But you really need to read more carefully because your posts make no sense in the context of the conversation we are having here.

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In my experience very few hosts answer in text chat.....

Excellent point kab. I run into that more and more. I wind up using open vid as a place to ask questions about a host's show. I've come to expect that in softcore, but its happening in hardcore as well.

why would a host not answer in free chat....that makes no sense..I would rather answer in free chat first rather then have one jump into video and be disappointed...and ticked off....

oh well i guess everyone has their reasons...

Good luck everyone.. :)

Maybe what seems like a long time to answer in chat to you which is just one person waiting for a reply.....there are several people in chat and the host is answer all and not just you at the moment that you drop in. Be patient and you will probably receive a reply shortly......

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Yes she may be busy as most girls are live on other sites as well as here. Or maybe I have wrong host, but lately here seems to be many wrong hosts compared to years ago. And on every one that I entered open vid after getting no reply in free, I found the host to be not busy and sitting at her computer.

But you clearly don't know how many in her free chat that she is answering to and it might take her a bit to answer you. I see some pop in ask a question while I am answering someone else in chat and before I can get to him....poof his is gone. Sometimes I have 5-10 people chatting and asking questions so guess you should be more patient and not make so many assumptions because I do not have any other rooms open at the same time!

In the cases I was talking about the hosts were NOT chatting in pvt with others. They made some bogus excuse like bad connection or something like that, which was a total lie. I've been to many cam sites over a very long period of time and have developed a sense when I am being lied to.

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The whole idea of a forum is to express a persons opinion...

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Do you need to be so rude? It is a true concern of his and if you can't contribute why in hell don't you just move on to the next post instead of making him feel like his post or his question is so worthless.
Do you just need to bash people?

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They're just buying time :P
You'll sit there and explain how wrong they are and that you're a nice guy.
You just wondered if she'd entertain you a little further...

Mean while, she doing 'Shop online' while clocking up the extra minutes :D
Points mean prizes, cash is king, and even if you don't go back to her, well as they say... 'There's one born every minute' lol
She wins.
Mostly it's just another game.

Gentlemen don't say, 'show ass bb' or shit like that :D
But everyone one enjoys a bit of naked ;)
And all those girls who 'Don't'.... well, i've never met one who doesn't ;)
Time is the factor, or loyalty (you need to massage her ego)

She'll give you the rewards, it's a case of you scratch her back, she'll do yours after. (provided you're not a sucker!, then she'll just carry on taking advantage)
How long the 'After' part is is another question altogether.
Shop in a different catergory if you're not happy.

Alternatively: If you like her, and reeeeally like her...., stick with it, end your pvt's earlier, set your personal limits (what you're happy to spend) she'll get the picture in no time. With some repeat custom, she'll get naked pretty fast.

Good luck with it.. haha

that is ridiculous there is no reason for the atmosphere to change just for asking for nude show...and it sounds like you were very nice about it...

so you know there are some of us on here that will appreciate your politeness and will not play such games with you...it really bugs me how some hosts sit and bitch about members yet they play these sorts of stupid games...

good luck to u Gentleman.....

I think you can be a gentleman and still politely ask early in free chat what you can expect from the host's video. Save you a lot of money and aggravation. You can be specific as to what you are looking for without being a jerk about it and if the host is not interested you can thank her and move on to one who is. But never enter a video with just the expectation of stripping/nudity and without an upfront agreement...you will be disappointed more often than not.

I wonder if part of your problem could be that you start off too nice. In other words, maybe you are not talking about sex at all, and then all of a sudden you bring up nudity, and they are like "WTF? I thought you liked me as a person! You're just like the rest of the members here!"

If I am there for a show, I always get to the nudity/sex issue right away. I go through the hi, how are you, what's your name, where are you from routine, and then it is all about how hot they look, how I'd love to see more, et cetera. And if in text chat, you can do a similar thing and say how you like certain pics, especially if she has naked or topless pics, and get to the nudity issue. Plus, since I am giving cam, I ask if they want to see more too so that helps, lol.

Most of the time you can save your money, and do what "So" says. Ask in free chat when in soft core unless the price is low enough that you're willing to spend a few dollars to talk in open and take your chances.

I do find it annoying to ask all the time about nudity in text chat since you can get a negative reaction no matter how nice you are so I look for signs that a soft core host strips . I suggest the following: 1) focus more on little shy as opposed to glamour if going soft core, 2) look for hosts with nude pics, 3) look for anything in the profile that is sexual in nature, and 4) look for any comments in her personal forum that indicates she gives shows. Also see if she has a hard core account, typically in not so shy, and go there if the open prices are close or if open price of not so shy is close to the 121 price of little shy. Usually, in my experience open and 121 prices for little shy and not so shy are about the same for hosts with accounts in both categories so not so shy open is your best bet.

As for the not so shy hosts that give you a problem, just complain to CC. I always chat with the hi, how r u stuff for a few minutes, no more than 5, and if I hear go 121 or if she stalls, I just get a credit.

And as for the "poor baby" post, just use things like that as an incentive to save yourself some money and look at some free porn, or perhaps some hot archive pics. Then, hosts like "poor baby" will be the poor babies, lol. Doesn't sound like you did anything rude or wrong so the heck with hosts and their attitudes.

Good luck.

I agree with much of what Moonlit Knight said however, not all hosts will post nude pics in her archives...I know I sure as heck don't ...what is the point of posting nude pics in archive.. I use to then I found that guys were jacking to the nude pics then come in video expecting me to be ready to sit on a toy or be instantly aroused just cos they were ready to explode...I do nude shows ....but to say look for nude pics it not really a fair thing to say...cos even hosts who have nude pics dont always do nude shows....that was just talked about in a post here not so long ago...

anyway that my five cents worth....good luck

I agree there is no point in posting nude pics as then there would be no point in going pvt. And yes just because a host posts nude pics in profile is no guarantee member will get a nude show in Glamour or Little Shy. And as someone else replied in some cases it takes several visits in open or 121 to see her naked. I recall pursuing a host from another site to 3 different sites before I finally saw her naked and I was disappointed. She was not as hot as I had thought she might be. It has also happened to me that some of these hosts that say no here get naked very fast on other sites where they host due to different rules being in place.


Thanks for your very kind reply.

I said to look for nude pics 1) since this increases the chances that the host is comfortable getting nude, and 2) since there are a lot of hosts, to focus on those with nude pics first since it is annoying to ask soft core hosts if they get naked.. I never said every host has nude pics or that every host with nude pics gets nude, although CC has a rule that says her most "recent" pics must reflect what she does in video.

You say Plus, since I am giving cam, I ask if they want to see more too so that helps, lol."

Ok if giving cam is the key, I can't compete there. I am rather grotesque looking and that would certainly not help my cause. And I know some members are into the SPH thing, but I don't need to pay a girl to taunt me because I have a small dick.

I don't know if giving cam is "the key", but I think it helps. When I say "do you want to say more?", what is the host going to do? Say "no?" or "not right now?" Unless she is truly shy, she is almost forced to say "yes", and from there, it is difficult for her to talk about anything but sex. She can try to stall with questions such as "what do you like in sex?", but it is very easy to ask for a show from there. And no host is going to tell someone he isn't a gentleman after she just asked to see "more", lol, unless he is rude from that point. At worst, if she is a host that strips, she will either say she needs to get comfortable with you (which is probably a cue to leave if you want a show unless you are one of those guys that likes an expensive challenge) or to go 121 (and if soft core, then it is just about price at that point).

As for looks, I am not some stud with a porn star sized cock although for some strange reason, I seem to be treated as such when on CC. I wonder why that is? lol. So unless you truly look horrible, I don't think you have to worry about things. Hosts are there to make you feel good and they almost always seem to ask for cam. They want to see you. And a nice smile along with a friendly personality can go a long way for you even if you are not some stud. It lets your inner personality outshine however you look, especially in a woman's eyes. Perhaps just delay giving he cam a few minutes so she gets to like you as a person first and then break the bad news to her, lol.

I know some guys hate giving cam, but it is the best way to enhance the experience even if just chatting so I would seriously consider doing it. Without cam to cam, I can't see how any two people can get to know each other in most cases. Sure, blind people date too, and there are things like arranged marriages, but normally, people actually see each other when getting to know each other. And do things like zoom out on your face a bit if you are not some stud and zoom in on your member, lol, if it isn't that big. Do what hosts do, namely, make yourself look better than you really are.

Yes

I personally do not get upset at all if the viewer asks me in chat if I get nude and I generally will say that I don't. My suggestion is to ask in chat rather than going into open or private. You will get a direct answer and if they say yes then clarify that they will remove all clothes. It seems some hosts consider nudity with bra and panites on still?? I always recommend if nudity is your goal then to stick with NSS or IA. That should be a guaranteed nude show and not in 121. If it isn't then you need to report it to CC and use your other resources to warn others.
I actually really appreciate members asking in chat first so that they won't be disappointed. A typical softcore viewer that appreciates that category enjoys the trip and not just getting to the destination which is primarily nudity. They like the tease and sensuality and quite often cum during it or some just like the excitement it creates. A viewer that wants nudity before the excitement starts should be very pleased in hardcore. That is what the difference is. Now lately there are also hardcore hosts in softcore and that completely throws that simple explanation out the window or the softcore host that ends up in NSS or IA. There are several ways of making those hosts aware.
It sounds like you are a gentleman but you found the wrong hosts that are too sensitive or not following the rules. I think it is also confusing when hardcore hosts use the words they do in their profile which sounds like they want to viewer to refer to her in a similar fashion. I understand your point there....

You have a good attitude about things. Unfortunately, some hosts don't. Also, the trend about hard core hosts being in soft core is not a new one. It is how things have been for as long as I have been here which is over 6 years. In fact, some soft core hosts start stripping in open even before I ask or even before I want them to, lol. They just start ripping their clothes off in two seconds when I prefer a two or three minute strip dance first because I like the tease part too. It really varies from host to host.

The problem is that, particularly with little shy, hosts are there for many different reasons. Some are there because the price minimums are lower and they can't get members at higher prices. Others are there because they are willing to strip, but want to be the ones to determine when they strip and for whom they strip. As members, we never know what the heck to expect just as hosts never know what to expect either.

The one thing that ever host should expect, however, is that guys on an adult site might ask for nudity even in a soft core category. Unless it is a non adult category, as long as the member is respectful about it, being called rude or being told "I'm not instant action" are not appropriate responses, but this is what members often run into. Host can simply say that they only go topless, that they want 121, that they prefer to chat first and see how they feel about the situation without making any promises, et cetera. Or, if they never strip, they can explain how they wear sexy outfits, et cetera. But this is not what happens. They get offended and assume that the member wants a wham bam thank you mam two minute show. I know some members do want that, but some hosts assume the rest of us do too and as someone who typically stays a minimum of 20 to 30 minutes if I want a show, I find it annoying to deal with the "Go to instant action" type attitude.

If every host was like you and if every member was like the original poster, we wouldn't have problems here. But unfortunately, that is not the case. Some guys are rude and hosts get sick of it and assume that all guys instead of just some guys are rude. Some hosts give members attitudes and it makes members not interested in seeking out the ones that won't. It is bad for business, and it is a turn off for all.

irst of all ...I am not angry and I am not jumping on you....but I do very much object to you suggesting that mabye he is too nice...for me personally..that is crap..maybe the fact is that the hosts that he has come across are simply hosts that would treat someone that way no matter how they were asked......but there are also those hosts that enjoy that type of interaction as a change of pace..I find it more enticing and am more willing to be nude...

it is soooo stupid ......Hosts are on a sex site...so how in the world can they not expect the subject of nudity to not come up at some point..and how can they expect to be in a softcore category without expecting a member to ask or bring up the subject of asking if she does nudity....it makes me wonder if maybe those that gentleman have had such a response from are maybe hosts that thought they could get away or are use to just not showing anything at all..

on this site there are sooo many members that just jump right in with get naked...use a toy...and think that just because they say they are hard as rock and horny .....that I should be wetter than an over flooded well...loool...I suggest to those members that maybe they need to be in instant action or not so shy category only because they give the impression that they are wanting instant play....I very much appreciate and enjoy coming across a gentleman on this site as they dont come along very often....they say variety is the spice of life...and well that goes for females too...a gentleman would be a very warm welcome amongst those that go to softcore and demand instant action....

So please Moonlit Knight be careful when you tell someone who is a gentleman and polite to maybe change ....unless he really wants to see these hosts that get their shit in a knot when nude comes up...so if he really wants to see those hosts then fine change our tactic...but do not change the way you are when dealing with all hosts...

hosts that say ""WTF? I thought you liked me as a person! You're just like the rest of the members here!" either she just had a bad experience with a member and gentleman came along before she was able to log off and gather herself again, or she really is not one that gets nude.....

third...altho your tactic of feeding her lines might work for you with many hosts...we also hear that same tactic as well as many tactics repeatedly...so someone different with a different tactic is refreshing...with me...a member does not have to feed me a line of how hot I am..when he is really wanting to know if I will get nude...that just stinks of falseness which members complain that hosts do in order to get a members money out of him... if a member wants to know about nude then he can ask when he feels comfortable enough to ask and if the host reacts negative then obviously something is wrong...and it does not mean that it is Gentleman's fault...

Gentleman I also understand your confusiona and frustration...and it is ridiculous that a host on a sex site will react that way when asked if she gets nude...it is simple all they have to do is say in the profile...if they do not get nude...

Again Moonlit Knight ...I am sorry if I sound harsh or angry ...I am just tired of hearing of hosts that react in such a way when asked if they get nude on a sex site...and hosts that play stupid games...it makes it hard for the rest of us that dont do such crap..be yourself Gentleman and those that attacked your post...ignore them....there are hosts that will appreciate how you are....and Moonlit Knight be yourself if that works for you...because as has been said in other posts...there are many hosts on here that will appreciate a member for how he is....

I appreciate your post. As for my saying maybe he was too nice, it was just a possible theory given what he was dealing with. It would seem common sense that we are on an adult site so nobody should be surprised about his wanting a show, but given some hosts he ran into seemed to get offended, I was just trying to figure out why. I thought that maybe he was taking them down one path for so long that they felt deceived when all of a sudden the topic turned to a show.

As for describing my dialogue as "lines" as if they are some calculated strategy, it is no more of a strategy than any discussion that you may have with anyone in any aspect of life, namely, to focus on the topic, and if he wants a show, the topic is sex and nudity so he should make comments about that as opposed to life in general. But yes, I've had sessions where I just chatted for a long time and then the conversation gradually moved to nudity without a problem. In fact, I don't think that I ever had a problem like the original poster had. But my personality when I am a customer is to be more direct and to take control so on CC, for example, I don't try to come off as anything other than a pervert..... A nice, friendly, smiling, funny, respectful pervert, but still a pervert, lol. That's probably why I don't have the issues that he has.

Hosts usually just tell me at the beginning if they get naked or not, and if 121 is required in soft core, except for the few that give me the "I'm not instant action" routine. My biggest problem here is hard core hosts not performing or saying go 121, not soft core hosts giving me an attitude about stripping.

"I don't try to come off as anything other than a pervert..... A nice, friendly, smiling, funny, respectful pervert, but still a pervert"

I have to admit that that tactic has also served me well over the years. That probably means that no host has ever thought of me as a gentleman but that is a price I am happy to pay :D

"I have to admit that that tactic has also served me well over the years. That probably means that no host has ever thought of me as a gentleman but that is a price I am happy to pay :D "

I not say that being a pervert does not make a gentleman...all people are perverts ....both men and women...it is how we approach a person with our pervertness (if that is a word lloool) is what will determine how things will go....

I have had a few perverts cross my path...and some were nice people...funny...smart...many good qualities.....heck one of my male friends is a pervert...but we get along great.....when he gets out of hand...my female friends and I say ..."get off our leg"...and all is good again..loool....

but just cos he a pervert dont mean we would kick him to the curb...he still a good person...very good person...

Was he a member of CC?

Rooooooooon!

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Where in my post do I indicate any sense of surprise? The surprising thing would be if they didn't come running back at contest time. And yes, it is most likely because of contest time. Does that surprise me? Of course not. I just find it amusing.

The only thing that I don't like about the situation is that while I respect that this is your job, running back here at contest time reinforces that it is all about the money for many hosts. Is there anything wrong with that? No, except for one thing: those same hosts often try to act like it is NOT about the money.

I suppose that act is all part of the job too, but when it is so obvious that it is all about the money, it is a turn off for me. I rather spend my money and at least imagine, even if it isn't true, that I am not just a cash machine to most hosts. I try to look at them as people and not objects even if they are giving a show and treat them nicely so it would be nice to feel like I am a person instead of a just a credit card. When they come running back at contest time, it reminds me that I am not, however. It is okay, though.... That sense that I and other members have that we are just a credit cards often keeps our credit card balances a lot lower.

Not so amusing any more for you, is it?

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Cam girls here and every other site are all about the money. Period! Case closed!

Agree....as much as hosts like to play at really enjoying working here meeting members, chatting, getting sexy and "having fun"...not a single host would remain if they didn't make any money. This is solely a business. They supply. We demand. They get the money. We get some level of satisfaction.

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I can't ever see a young, attractive, sexy young woman spending one minute here if she was not getting paid. There are just too many other things competing for their time to sit in front of a computer screen waiting to meet middle aged horny men. I grant you a few might maintain friendships with members as some do today. But I just can't see anyone coming here and chatting and stripping for nothing. For one thing the site would collapse from the thousands of morons who would flock here for free nudity. And without nudity...well we all know the answer to that one.

Just goes to show you how much you know about hosts and members here....lol

I actually disagree with you. If this was a free site, I think you would be very surprised to see the girls that would come here just for the attention. The profiles that read...I like for all your attention to be on me, I like to be admired, I like to show you my beautiful body, I like to complimented and adored, etc. If you met any of them in person you'd know that they are serious and they need constant attention ....no doubt they would be here anyway.

I thought your post was just as valuable as any post here and yes it is pretty obvious that "greediness" is what brings some hosts back during contests and yet they are too good to work here the rest of the year. To go out of their way to make clear that it's not all about the money is an obvious insult to anyone's intelligence and yet they must be successful with it. It is hardly fair to other hosts that are dedicated to CC year round and through the tough times too. Unfortunately the contest times are the worst times for them because their regulars will take the opportunity to visit with the money chasers. I commend you for speaking up and making others aware of the lack of sincerity that comes with the special appearances of some hosts during contests.
I also see it as totally unnecessary for some hosts to attack every post that a member makes here lately. They also make comments that represent "all" hosts as being cold hearted money grubbing and insincere that can't stand members and don't enjoy what they are doing. Always the posts are anonymous and very sarcastic so it is pretty easy to assume that they are not successful hosts and resent their competition for actually having fun working here and also doing well. Sad for them that they can't see that change your attitude and it would change their income.

Let me be a bit more clear, at the risk of being redundant and boring, lol.

The problem with hosts' running back at contest time is that it is an in your face way to say to members that members are nothing but cash machines to hosts. It is too strong of a reminder in some members' view that we mean absolutely nothing to hosts as people.

Some of us members enjoy CC because we get to know hosts better and develop a bit of a personal relationship with them that doesn't happen on other sites. If you look at my post about the new price limits, you will see that I posted that my concern is that CC will lose that trait since it will begin to cost too much to spend a lot of time just chatting. The site will move towards more of just a true porn site where members are nothing but cash machines to hosts and hosts are nothing but objects to members. I know that this is often the case already, but the price increase could make this worse.

It is from that perspective that I am coming. Actions by hosts, be it posts, be it personal interaction with them, or be it running back at contest time are very strong reminders that members mean absolutely nothing to them as people. I don't know about other members, but every time I get the message that I mean nothing to hosts as a person, I spend less money. I avoid contests, and I spend less time chatting in video. I might even avoid sites altogether for extended periods of time.

I'm not naive. I know that no matter how friendly a host may be that she probably won't end up as my best friend or my wife. But it is about feeling that a host respects me as a person. Hosts don't want members to treat them as sexual objects. They want to be respected as people. It is why they want members to at least say "Hi. How are you?" before "Let me see you naked baby." even if it is instant action. Well, I feel the same way, and so do some other members. We want to be looked at as people, not cash machines. And when a host comes running back at contest time, et cetera, it is a strong reminder that we are not people. The result: this cash machine chooses to stop working.

I don't think a lot hosts get my point at all. They don't get why a lot of members come to CC as opposed to other sites. It is a shame since if they did, this cash machine would dispense more money. And the best part is that a host can be sincere in her feelings and treat members with respect even though it is her job. She can truly like members as people and enjoy what she is doing. A lot of hosts are just like this even if they strip a lot. But some hosts out there make it painfully obvious that they look at guys as a bunch of low-life wankers with money and that they have no respect for them. Nobody likes to feel that way any more than a host would want to feel like she is a cam whore just because she strips.

It is about feeling that we respect each other as people. Even if it is about sex on a site like this, what is wrong with that? The point of my post was that when the hosts come running back at contest time that it sends a message to members that they don't respect us in my opinion. It becomes all too clear that we are nothing but bags of money to these hosts, and it ruins the atmosphere on CC which makes me at least spend less money with other hosts. Even if I am just a cash machine to you, at least don't keep reminding me of it.

Think what you want about me and my posts. All I know is that hosts' attitudes, be them reflected in their posts, their interaction with members or by their actions such as running back at contest time set a tone around here, and it is a tone that many of us don't like. And like I said, that tone can make your favorite cash machine cease from operating any more.

And if history is any guide, the posts that we will soon see during the contest will just make this worse.

Being neither a trainspotter nor a stalker, not keeping a daily mental inventory of who is online or offline, not following the crowd or taking a morning and evening roll-call of which hosts are present; I have absolutely no idea which hosts only come back at contest times, and absolutely no wish to find out either.

You don't need to do anything other than notice who is online when you are going through the host lists like you usually do when choosing who to chat with. If you are here often enough and long enough, you will see patterns emerge.

As a bit of a disclaimer, some of my "intel", lol comes from reading the host forum too. I know hosts hate this but they read our forum so fair is fair. If members saw some of the posts there, they would understand my feelings a lot better if they don't agree already.

Well, unless you have actually hosted here, getting a host account just so you can read their forum, strikes me as being unhealthily obsessive.

I have no idea why a member's reading the chathost forum is obsessive any more than a host's reading the member forum would be obsessive. Each provide potentially useful information. And since it is so easy to get a host account, the fact that a member needs to have such an account to read the chathost forum is indicative of nothing.

Just for the record, the original reason that I ever got interested in the chathost forum was that chathosts started telling me what was said there. I then could see that occasionally the chathost forum could reflect what some hosts' true feelings about members and CC was and maybe give me some other useful information.... you know, the type like when a host says to me that she is single and then you see she talks about her husband in the host forum, lol.

And I only got a host account so that I could help a chathost out with something. I will leave it at that. I already knew what was in the forums, et cetera since hosts would tell me, usually because they didn't like something that another host said as opposed to my asking what was said.

Further, having a host account is very useful in terms of understanding the rules and the other workings of CC. It has helped me a lot when dealing with hosts that choose to break the rules.

I am far from the only member with a host account. And given the amount of time and money I have spent here, I think understanding things from the host side has been important. If anything, I have an obsession with CC, not with the host forum, lol. I don't even check it that often. But ironically, the cure for any obsession is to read the forums, be them the general, host or member ones. Why? It reminds me that things here are not as warm and fuzzy as I sometimes would like to believe which in turn keeps me from spending as much.,,, just like I've talked about in this thread.

How can you identify the hosts that are "not so fuzzy" in chathost forum and are more like "show me the money"?
What I resent is when a member like you comes back and uses the conversations that hosts have regarding business and use it against them in general forum. That is none of your concern and it's like saying that you should be entitled to see what any company says behind clothes doors regarding how they run their business. You are still the consumer and you have the option of doing business with any host you choose but you should not be part of the honest coaching from other hosts when she is seeking advice.
Do you also invite yourself to CC's business meetings too?

I am surprised that more members do not get a host account to read the chathost forum....I know there are hosts that have a member account in order to respond to posts in viewer forum...

I am glad to see that at least one member has a chathost acct...

That buidling relationships and friendships "doesn't happen on other site"... how do you figure that? Friendships can be formed anywhere where people interact, including CC and other sites like it.

"Some of us members enjoy CC because we get to know hosts better and develop a bit of a personal relationship with them IN A WAY that doesn't USUALLY happen IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND FROM WHAT HOSTS TELLS ME on other sites."

Grrrrrrr. I obviously don't mean never, ever. I just mean that it is a lot more likely here from what I have experienced and from what I hear from hosts as compared to other sites,

Just think about how some people debate if CC is a porn site, fantasy site, dating site, et cetera. Even if they had forums on other sites, I don't think there would be much of a debate about what most of them would be described as, namely, a porn site.

Buy yes, you can develop friendships, et cetera on other sites, and I have done that. It just seems that CC's atmosphere promotes that more. And with lower prices, that atmosphere can keep a guy in video a lot longer since he might not only be thinking about sex since his credit card isn't being drained quite as fast.

I just see certain things such as, let us call them contest whores, lol, taking away from that. And I don't think that the new price limits are going to help any. I know it is a job for hosts. I just don't think that they should remind members of that fact with their actions, their posts, et cetera. It is bad for business and detracts from one of the reasons some of us are here, namely to meet nice people that we can talk to and not just play with. After all, the pic gets me in a room the first time I see a host, but her attitude towards me, not just how she looks, is a major factor if I will return. If I already feel like I am on a site with hosts that have what I feel is the wrong attitude, I won't want to enter anyone's room to begin with.

Members that think it is just a porn site might not care. Maybe these are the "rude" members hosts complain about. The rest of us look at hosts as people and just want the same in return. I would think that if this was not true, instead of telling us to go to "instant action" when we want a show, most hosts would already be there waiting for us, lol.

Time for Members head for the hills!

What always amazes me is that members fall for it and go flocking back to these hosts. There are hundreds of hard working, respectful hosts on this site, why don't we all give them the business as a reward for not doing this?

You don't need to tell me more about it ;)

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It seems like viewers complain more often than softcore hosts last days!!
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Read the post again. There is no issue with hosts complaining about viewers barking orders and wanting fast show. But some hosts are not even happy when Is viewer is polite and talks in paid video.

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"there are lots of good hosts that are here to have fun with you in conversation or play :)"

I agree. But there are some hosts, as I said that complain whatever I do, whether I ask for naked show or just talk. They complain about show and talk.

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Yes you are correct. I was upset when I posted and should have said "some" and not given the impression all do. But I was upset with one host in particular after I did everything right. But I've never been one to post in Viewer Forum about any host good or bad due to all the bullshit one gets hurled at them for posting such things there.

I never complained about talking! :)) And u do make a point not to post about her.Some men shoudl learn from u.Have a nice evening!

Sorry that you experienced that......don't accuse all hosts when it is one in particular that is so messed up, please! Rate her low and don't get hung up on her and move on....there are so many that aren't here to play stupid games.
Also for kittyglamour ....well obviously when some speak up about a particular host there is a problem. Think you could take it in a constructive way.

Substitute the word 'people' for hosts and it will still be true. And guess what, you're proving it cos you're one of them

Most Men want to Run Run Run from a NAGGING Women

Most Men want to Run Run Run from a NAGGING Women"

You got that right!

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With the amount of posts complaining about hosts that play these ridiculous games...they still seem to be busy ...

It is not really fair to jump on him and assume that it is his fault or something he did wrong...there are so many posts about members getting frustrated with some of the hosts they have encountered...

He admits he was angry when he posted...but many of us have
written in anger and frustration...both members and hosts......

maybe he did not write her name because maybe there is more than one host he has encountered this with..lets face it there are hosts on here that do the things that are complained about...stalling, bad attitude, being rude, and other things that upset a member, we see that when some hosts post or respond to posts here...

Even us hosts complain in posts about something a member or a few members have done...

the point is ...he has a right to post..just like we all do...it is not always a good thing to do in anger...but then when posted we get to soak up the warmth and compassion that everyone shows in their responses....loool.......

I think he knows that not all hosts are that way...just like we all know that not all members are rude with bad attitudes and demanding ways...... :)

Sorry you had to encounter that crap "throws hands up" Chin up you will find one that will kick you on your ass and make you smile.... lol

"Sorry you had to encounter that crap "throws hands up" Chin up you will find one that will kick you on your ass and make you smile"
And what have I said to get such rude and agressive post from you, huh? You really have some problems, no need to be so full of anger. I have my opinion about the authors post, I said and it wasn't rude at all. Many men come to the hosts room to learn how to communicate with women, unless u never know it before.

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No...what is in a few men's minds.

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Pantyhose rules!:)))))))))

No doubt, there are some sick puppies on this site

I have no opinions or judgements about your request or desire Too bad that others think this is an opportunity to be rude. Why would they
have a need to comment if they can't contribute to your request? Ignore them please!

thank you :)

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How much will you pay?

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No. This is a business.

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I agree. Many members pay so they can give up their civility and treat women worse than they ever would in real life. I would suspect some members are unable for a variety of reasons to be assertive or dominant to the females in their life. Along comes CC...you can be a prick, a bully, a jerk....and since you are paying for it...you get away with it.

Similary when hosts accept a job here they agree to accept abuse and treatment they would never tolerate in real life. But it is part of the job. You get the good and the bad. A host can set her own standard and say...this guy is just to obnoxious so I will block him...but in general a paying customer is the goal here...and not all of them compliment and say please and thank you.

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Speak for yourself! You certainly don't speak for hosts or even know
how the majority of hosts feel. All are different and different reactions
to various circumstance.
I think why don't you speak from your own little world and room or even identify yourself as your host screen name.
It annoys me to read your response here as though you know every situation that a host experiences and why she does what she does.
Speak for your own personal experience and not all.....

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" Too many members want to start and finnish all in 5 min!"

I recall seeing a post in a public forum on another site back in about 1999. And 3 or 4 hosts posted their average pvt ran about 4 to 6 minutes long.

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The pvts I refer to were nude pvts.

So... you see several hosts who are often in 121 or password sessions and you assume its because they are hiding like terrified damsels in distress from evil members who are making their poor lives hell.
And now we need a solution to this terrible problem. lol. ok.

hmmm. This is a tough one. But... I think if we all could just for a moment come together, each and every one of us, the good and the bad, even the indifferent... If we could all just see ourselves as individuals, yet as different as each of us are, and being as unique as each of us craves to be... I think if we could only come together, all of us, then maybe... just maybe... you could stop jumping to conclusions and making assumptions about the above sort of things of which you clearly have no idea.

unless all males are neutered,i think it's impossible to get rid of these type of members.further i'm guessing on cam sites the % would be greater than generally.look at the bright side,when a host meets a charming,polite,considerate,suave & debonair member like you(& me of course)after the above mentioned we seem like superheroes(lol) :--)

Ah, thats why you survived tisme? :-P

you're saying i'm a foreskin? :--)

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Most hosts do not like any kind of criticism. And as you point out some vote 1 star and others vote with their wallet and just leave.

This is my thought too, that it seems more constructive to leave comments to the host so that she can improve. I also wonder how many times when a host is deceptive that she needs to be told. I
think many viewers see that situation as intentional and why bother. By leaving a low score it can be more of a warning to other viewers.

I suppose your idea is a good one in some cases, but usually a member feels like he just got ripped off and wasted his money so at that point he is more focused on revenge and venting than trying to improve the situation for all concerned. He has written that host off and is not really interested in improving her performance. Instead, it is about revenge, getting his money back and warning others.

Additionally, the things that seem to upset members such as breaking the rules, lying, et cetera are not really the type of situations where posting a comment in personal forums, sending an email to her, et cetera would seem appropriate steps. Instead, they seem like things that a host should already know are wrong so why would a member give her the benefit of the doubt and do anything other than attack?

If we are talking about a host who just isn't good at her job and does more innocent things like talk on too many sites at once so a member feels like he is wasting his money, then I would agree with you. But if we are talking about a host that is a lying, deceitful, rule breaking b*tch, lol, then I would absolutely disagree. I think if a member wants to attack publicly, he absolutely has the right to do so although 99% of the time I just write CC and ask for a credit. The 1% that I've attacked publicly are when a host gave me an attitude and pissed me off even more. Sometimes they just have this air about them that says "I can do whatever I want regardless of the rules" so I kind of enjoy letting them know "Sorry, hun, no you can't. Maybe the next guy might fall for your crap, but I will do my best to make sure that doesn't happen." I think these are the types that are usually getting attacked in the member forums more than anything else.

The only exception might be with a studio and rule breaking. For those that don't know, when a host chooses her category, it is 100% clear what the rules are. She specifically agrees to certain things. These are the "hidden rules" that some of us members talk about. Knowing this, when an instant action or not so shy host won't strip, for example, even though she specifically agreed to do so, I am never going to give her the benefit of the doubt except if her English seems horrible (since these "hidden rules" are in English) or if I can tell she is in a studio and think that maybe her boss set up her account without telling her the appropriate rules. Other than that, there really are no excuses so I am not going to take the time to send her a nicely worded email or post some nicely worded message in her forum about how what she did was inappropriate. As far as I am concerned, she probably already knew and was just trying to screw me over. And most likely, such a host would just laugh, block me and go screw over the next member to visit her so a comment in the member forum about such a host is often the better solution besides complaining to CC. At least other members get warned that way.

Most hosts here have good English language skills and seem pretty intelligent so it is difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt in terms of not knowing the rules. I suppose that the 121 situation is a bit vague in terms of the rule that says hosts cannot tell members to go 121 for nudity if they are in not so shy or instant action, but I've never publicly complained about a host doing that. I save those complaints entirely for CC. But if we are talking about a host that is in not so shy or instant action and not willing to strip at all or is saying she is too busy to give a show when she MUST do so, or a host in any category that lies or stalls to the point where it seems she is just milking the clock, why would anyone think that nicely explaining that she shouldn't do those things is wrong? She already knows she is breaking the rules. She already knows she is lying. She already knows she is stalling. Does a member really need to tell her? I almost never write a public post about these things, but if that is what a member wants to do, he has every right to do so, and I see nothing wrong with it.

There are times when a member can help a host as you suggest. But it seems that most of the public attacks don't seem to qualify. I've been around for awhile, and I've had a lot of hosts play games so I can understand why members get to the point where they post publicly. And when you hear how your host friends talk about other members and describe them as slaves, et cetera, it doesn't exactly make you want to give another host the benefit of the doubt either, lol.

But if we are talking about a host that is in not so shy or instant action and not willing to strip at all or is saying she is too busy to give a show when she MUST do so, or a host in any category that lies or stalls to the point where it seems she is just milking the clock, why would anyone think that nicely explaining that she shouldn't do those things AND THAT THEY ARE WRONG IS GOING TO HELP? (caps to show edit)

You said it all my brother.

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Absolutely correct and even though very wordy....your point was well taken. The rules are available to every host here and more and more I see a new host come online and starts asking questions in chathost forum that are clearly defined in the rules and she doesn't think she needs to take the time to read them but instead asks over and over of other hosts. The results are always mixed because you get some deceptive hosts telling her that she doesn't need to do that in NSS or IA and how to get around it. I think all hosts should be required to read all the information and take a basic quiz to prove that they read it all. Some hosts here will take any rule and twist and turn it to fit her desire and no she does not deserve an explanation of why she is a lousy host.....so agree especially when the member is paying.

"Some hosts here will take any rule and twist and turn it to fit her desire and no she does not deserve an explanation of why she is a lousy host.'

Excellent post. I agree completely.

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nice thought... but after all these years on camsites i have never seen a host who would take advice from a viewer... no matter how polite advice this is, host will be offensed and say "i know better what work for me, and if you dont like how i work you dont need to visit me"

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<<Now hosts, do your jobs!>>
Eh....um....in my experience they do! If there is a point to your post, I am at a loss to understand what it is. If you've had a disappointing experience it might be helpful if you were a little more specific, instead of the cod philosophy.

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That sounds like a real good business attitude...not!

nope...got none of the above. and you are no princess, but i'm paying...so get off your high horse and show me your goodies!

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My chat room, my rules!

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Yes for sure, viewers are Neanderthals.

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And don't forget the sex too!

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You never said anything about me going thousands of miles to her just for sex.
I assumed she was coming to me :P

I have no desire to meet any host in person. I come here to watch show and wank.

I think it depends on the relationship between the host and viewer. In most cases it probably is about sex. I for one have a host I would love to meet in person without any expectations. Though I know it will never happen.

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easy answer: Difficulty with travel, distance, visas, money, etc.
honest answer: Just easier to accept that it won't than hope it will.

I met a host once..spent a great week with her and her family.. was never about sex or romance or what ever..i like to travel.. wanted to see her country and spent a wonderful week seeing it with her. Were still great friends, well never be lovers.. it was just about having a nice time. Its not always about sex.. if I want sex with a beautiful woman I can do that here tonight with out traveling 5000 miles..

id say this, to the host asking.. if you have a member friend who wants to visit..follow your gut feeling.. if you think all he wants is to come for sex, say no.. if you think its about a nice visit think about it. Id suggest having a good friend or family member with you at all times though.

I have an invite to return anytime I want.

good advice...I've met 2 hosts...one is still a close friend after 6 years, the other I said bye to after I realised she was a professional hooker.

"I said bye to after I realised she was a professional hooker."

That's my kind of girl!

ally I think I would have said goodbye to the first one :P

lmao. Actually, you are right, the pro was cheaper in the long run. lol

And you would have kept the hooker...you are bad boy!

I agree that to go through the trouble and expense of seeing a host just for sex is not for most worth the effort. However, if a member has a particular infatuation with a particular host and has the time and money...then why not? I also think men go with an idea or romance, or friendship, or just seeing a new country and culture but virtually everyone who goes has in the back of their mind the idea that they will at some point in the visit have sex with the host. Lets face it...we come here for sexual stimulation...you are not going to travel thousands of miles just to admire the architecture of the Perm Public Library.

Is it a quite nice library then, anyway?

You must be a very young naive host #1! That makes you a very good target for just sex.... I ask you this: If you are considering a member which for the first time, which will happen often if you are attractive, what do you think through conversations that he is interested in? What does he say? What is your inner self telling you why he wants to visit you? You are the one that has chatted with him so how can anyone answer for him? Is he saying he cares about you? How long have you been chatting? Do you show your body nude when he enters? If so he probably wants to f*ck you. You need to answer the questions to yourself and figure it out....no one else can answer that question.
If you are showing him everything and more then that is probably what he wants... If you are in non-adult and he wants to meet you then maybe he is interested in a relationship....maybe! If you are teasing him he wants more....so simple...

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"he never asks for strip."

He's gay!

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What does he say? Sounds like he is interested in you as a person and wants a relationship. Is that your feeling when you chat with him? What would be your interest in meeting him? Are you attracted to him enough that you would consider a relationship? You need to ask yourself those questions and listen to your answers. If you choose to meet him use some precautions since you don't know anyone that knows him. He must get a Hotel room. Meet him only in a public place. Ask many questions about his life first and personally I would want to do a background check for any criminal behavior if I didn't feel 100% in my gut that it would be ok.
Good Luck!

All excellent points. Keep in mind though that just because ho does not ask for you to strip now does not mean he won't expect more if you meet. If you are thinking of meeting I would recommend you discuss exactly what both of your expectations are first. I never ask for a strip from the host I would like to meet either. Although I have no expectations if we were to meet does not mean I would be against the idea. I would think very few men come to CC to simply make friends. Just be careful.

He never asks for strip with the member account that she knows him by, lol.

Not sure if that was meant for the host who started this thread or for me. LOL It is a good point though. Never really thought of that. I only have the one account myself. Just don't see the point in lying.

What's up Doc?

"Just don't see the point in lying."

Maybe you don't, but I suggest you are in a very small minority of members here or anywhere on line.

Oh and hosts are always honest? I am choking on that one....lol

Everyone lies on line.

Sorry, but you don't speak for "everyone". While I do admit I have lied online in the past I don't now. As I said before, I just don't see the point to it.

When we were arranging a meeting, a host said to me directly "I will not have sex with you." I still went (with no expectation of sex). We enjoyed the visit. We didn't have sex. I respect her for making the ground-rules clear before the visit.

Nothing more than her time...
Time to say hello, thats it.

More is great, but should you expect things from her then you might well disappoint yourself.

If i travel 2000kms to Romania look for sex, is stupid.
Can get a RO hooker just down the street for 40euro suck and fuck.

But go holidays, explore, meet new people etc, it's different.
If you like 200euro hotel rooms and people kiss ya ass then fine. Take hookers and indulge.

I take apartment, visit friends, go clubs, bars, lunch, shop, explore all, parks, different places, countryside. If can find nice local girl to do that with then it's perfect!

In beginning only expect a few moment of her time.
Sometimes though, great friendships start up for many years ;)
And can fill a lot of time and happiness with pals...
Is many girls here, not machines, humans beings, enjoying life too.
If she has fun too, then she don't make you pay for it either ;) :D haha

Expect nothing, then there will be no disappointment. :D Live for the moment and accept anything that is offered [within reason]

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Yes most guys would love for girls to take sex as casual as they do but it simply isn't in the make up of a girl that has been brought up with good self esteem and moral guidelines. For just to enjoy the moment at it's fullest would take a lot more testosterone than girls have :) If they do and realize after that it was all about sex and not an interest in her otherwise then she has to deal with that and it's not a good thing.

I agree. Relationships are like real estate. Only 3 things matter.

1. location

2. location

3. location

Nothing!

lunch

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Wish that was true! I have lived enough experiences and to me friends are like ticks: undesirable parasites creatures that stick to you just to suck you up and leave when they drained you or see that they have nothing else to take.

Nah, that's girlfriends you're talking about there ;)

Wow that is sad. I wonder how you present yourself for that to happen frequently? You might want to get rid of the T-shirt that says Suck Me Dry and Abuse me I love it :)

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You'd be better off asking in the Chathost Only Forum.

I do think studio's often own the account and therefore the nickname, so you'd have to open a different account and come up with another name.

hi u shouldnt have any sort of problem getting another screen name once u work from home but u might want to inform ur regulars about it before quitting and also if ur not in good terms with ur studio owners dont mention it to them
simply create ur desired screen name on cc and have it approved, get a payoneer card or bank account depending on what u prefer and ur set
good luck
xox

you will have to open another screen name ....because your studio owns the screen name you are using now so all your payments for the name you have now will go to the studio automatically unless the studio boss releases your name to you with a letter from them to cc...

if you are worried about your boss then do not tell him, but as already said open up a new name and such first so that you can use it when you start from home, but do not do anything in that new profile until you are finished with the studio..

I hope it all works out for you...good luck to you :)

I was told many times videochat is not legal in Ukraine. I was told banks will report money from videochat to police. I was told the safe way to work is for a person with a business to hide the money from videochat. The boss in one city sells cars. I was told many girls get in trouble with police trying to work from home.

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he didnt say the sites are illegal but videochatting is considered illegal in that county. and i have heard the same about ukraine however i would think its more illegal to work in a studio than from ur own home and safer as well

A law in 2009 made pornography illegal in Ukraine.

Yes, pornography is illegal and even if u have some films or look these films through internet u broke the law. But what is considered pornography? If girl show her bra and panties or may be even nipples, does it pornography? What is erotica? And what is the difference between erotica and pornofraphy?

Bra and panties are thing. But for sure no nudity or even topless allowed in Ukraine. So as long as Ukraine hosts are in non adult, little shy or Glamour girls, there is no problem.

haha so thats why there are so few ukrainian girls on hardcore sites... not even half of the girls are from ukrane :D

seriously, i know some ukrainian camgirls, and it is quite safe to work from home, just dont advertise this to every neighbour and police officiers, and when money comes for example thru payoneer nobody in local banks needs to know where it came from.

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Is it wrong to cheer on economic collapse?

I have seen many hosts become more "advanced" over time...largely because of financial reasons. They start out as truly shy...thinking that being flirty and clever and cute will make them rich and for a few with great personalities and english speaking ability it does. But most find they get few if any videos while their more adult oriented studio mates are making far more. So they try a lingerie show, then a flash or two...then topless...and before you know it they have a Louisville Slugger sticking out of their butts. For some it takes months or years...for others a few weeks. Many don't decide to do more and leave. So yeah the enconomy can make girls do things they normally thought they would ever do...and isn't that they way it has been since time immemorial?

If the tzatziki and taramosalata industries are affected is it definitely a double-dip recession?

money talks

It is my understanding it is not allowed for a non-adult host to have an adult room open at the same time she is in her non-adult room! Hope they are not that desperate.

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I think the original poster meant that she switched from a non adult host that wouldn't strip to an adult host that would strip, not that she had a non adult and adult session open at the same time.

I don't think it is a big deal. Many hosts need time to get used to the idea of stripping on cam and non adult gives them a chance to see what camming is all about in a less threatening way. Then, if they want to try to make some more money, they can shift to adult. It isn't always about being "desperate" for money. It is just that they see an opportunity to make more money just like anyone else might switch jobs to make more money.

If anything, "camming" to begin with would be a sign of being "desperate" for money. I don't think I've met one host that said to me "I couldn't wait until I turned 18 just so I could spend 8 hours a day sitting at my pc and talking to strange men. It was my life's dream." These are young women and/or women from less affluent countries, or nowadays given the world economy, any country, that need a job and so they try camming. Switching to adult is just a way to get even more money. Then, some of them make some friends and go to soft core, if not already there, and spend most of the time just chatting as if it were non adult. It kind of works on a cycle.

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....But not on cam. Assuming you are a woman, and if you are serious at all in what you said, your dream was probably to find a rich guy to spoil you in real, not some money slave on the internet, lol. Or maybe I am old fashioned and the modern day dream is to have virtual money slaves so that you never have to meet them, lol.

Okay, new post for the 21st century: every woman's dream is to find a virtual money slave, not a money slave for real. She just wants some rich guy to send her money and leave her alone so she can do what she wants. Better? :p

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Sounds good to me.

similar policy for me. And I usually tell them they are getting a 1. One girl emailed and said sorry. Next time she followed rules. So I gave her 5, she was hot. Ohters girls have blocked me, which is fine.

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All sounds very fair and especially if they make comment in her forum for her to see (of course she can delete but at least will read and know) or tell her!

I don't

Then why bother to comment? That took wasted energy on your part!

Not nearly as much wasted energy as your post. At least mine was expressing my opinion.

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What about in Constanta?

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Maybe down in Turkey but that part of the world is comparable to all of Europe or Midwest USA..getting cold and winter is on its way.

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Actually, a lot of members know words besides yes and no in Russian and Romanian so depending on the language and the member, he might understand. And Colombian hosts often will speak in Spanish during shows which I find sexy. That might be more a function of their not knowing English as well as an Eastern European host, however.

I suppose a host could be faking and saying something in her native language such as "hahaha you dumbass! I am faking right now and you don't even know it!", but a host should be careful. Some of us members have been on sites a long time and know more words than you seem to think. We might not be fluent, but we know enough words... and often the bad words, lol, so be careful what you say. :p

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I had made love in erm several languages, and trust me, if the girl is speaking not her native language, it doesnt mean shes faking;)

I never believe people who say "trust me". You will need to prove this to me in person.

Last time I heard "trust me" was from my ex-gf before I had my credit card maxed out in a day :-P

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A sure sign of faking is when she answers the phone lol

All hosts are giving a performance given the nature of this site. Duh. All a member really needs to concern himself with, is if he is getting his money's worth.

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Lol. i guess after a while of being around here, it just comes naturally. im more worried about the times when i start dirtytalking in english when having sex in real life. their "WTF" look is priceless. :))))))))guess too muh virtual sex screws up all of us :))))

They watched When Harry Met Sally and she did a great impersonation of an orgasim......Yes Yes Yes as she pounded the table. Did the host pound the table too??

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hosts fake? say it aint so.

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it maz bea good idea to have commchat on the side going, I saw a girl, who was in video, in the same time chatting in commchat, that was for sure not a hot video

Oh knock it off. You're a non adult host

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At the risk of being accused of banging the same drum. My experience of cc bears no resemblance to yours.

The Little Drummer Boy

Cum the member forum told me, pa rum pum pum pum
A new host to see, pa rum pum pum pum
Our money we bring, pa rum pum pum pum
To cum before the new queen, pa rum pum pum pum,
rum pum pum pum, rum pum pum pum,

So to honor her, pa rum pum pum pum,
When we cum.

Hot mistress, pa rum pum pum pum
I am a just a slave, pa rum pum pum pum
I have a small cock to show, pa rum pum pum pum
That's not fit to give you cam, you know, pa rum pum pum pum,
rum pum pum pum, rum pum pum pum,

Shall I play for you, pa rum pum pum pum,
On my, uh..., drum?

The host nodded, pa rum pum pum pum
The host kept time, pa rum pum pum pum
I played my drum for her, pa rum pum pum pum
I played my best for her, pa rum pum pum pum,
rum pum pum pum, rum pum pum pum,

Then she smiled at me, pa rum pum pum pum
Me and my drum.

I disagree with your assessment of not so shy and instant action. I definitely understand your frustration since there is a significant number of rule breakers, but most hosts in hard core follow the rules in terms of getting naked in my experience and don't say go 121 or stall too much.

Perhaps Instant Action hosts chat a bit too much at first when technically they must get naked right away, but I think it is more of a natural thing to say "hi, how are you, what's your name?.." as opposed to a desire to stall. But other than that, I usually don't have problems in general. If I was going to guess, I would say I have written to CC asking for a credit about 10% of the time when dealing with a hard core host. That is a lot of emails, but still it is far from a majority of hosts causing problems.

As a disclaimer, I almost always give my cam and am not always showing my face, lol, so the cam issue is never an issue with me. And once you say to a host "do you want to see more?" and she says "yes" and then gives the required "mmmm" after seeing more, it is a bit difficult for her to stall. She might say things like "so what do you like in sex?" and "what would you like to see?", either to stall or to try to make me happy, but I always just respond with things like "you on top of me" for what I like and "a strip" for what I want" and usually the show shortly follows. Most hosts will just do their jobs. The only issue then is whether I think she is hot enough for me to stay.

In terms of soft core, I agree that little shy hosts strip more than glamour hosts. But again, I usually don't have a problem there. They might say go 121, but I don't have a problem with lying or stalling most of the time other than the 10 minute slow strip dance by hosts from a certain South American country, lol. The emails I have written to CC for soft core are more focused on rude behavior or connection issues. In fact, I don't think I have ever had to complain about a soft core host lying about stripping after she agreed to do it.

So once again, I understand your frustrations, but fortunately, more often than not, I don't have problems here.

I guess I should have started my post with the statement most of my pvts on cc have been great. I was merely focusing on some real issues I've had and have seen others post about over time on this site.

I also disagree with your assessment of Not So SHy. less than 10pct of the hosts I have visited refused to strip in open video and requested 121 for a show. Some ask me to send cam but no one has made that a condition of doing a show.

Happy Halloween to you too.Would you like to see my ghoulies and can I gice you the willies :P

May i trick or treat at your house ?

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I suggest that you take a pic before you get online if you don't look as good or better than your profile pic then. If a viewer is expecting to see you as you are when they enter your room then why would you have a beach photo or a professional pic up that looks nothing close to what they will view in your room? It seems fair that they are not going to see you look like that so why should a host be selling that look? This is not a magazine photo, it is an in person experience and if hosts don't look as good or better than there pic then it looks like a misrepresentation of what a viewers visual experience will be. Makes sense to me... Maybe instead of trying to convince viewers to accept ......hosts should take a pic before they go online to accurately represent them that day! It would eliminate disappointment.

Its called deception

You said it clearly....I was trying to be nice...

err...you almighty conaisseur, you! as you seem to know it all - what else should hosts do in this what you call "in person experience" ? allow me to laugh on this one. out loud!
better yet! do pimples qualify for the list of changes for an accurate representation?

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then let's just do this. let's say that the cover pic for a host does not even have to be of her. why bother right. we should all be understanding of this because it is very competitive and the hosts should have the right to post photos of what they dont look like to get you into their room.
sarcasm off - are you a complete idiot tornado?

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from what i understand of his post tornado does NOT think that the cover pic of a host needs to be of her during that session. it can be from any time at all. if her hair looks dif, if she has a tan or not, or anything else that would change her look in a major way that is beside the point. he is saying that we should not expect the host to look like the cover pic from what i gather. and i disagree.

mind your language! then breath, read again and d'ooooh!

I think you are a host!

I am not standing up for a host that has had been offended by the fact that viewers are ticked off that the host does not look anything like her profile pic. How hard is it to take a pic? I do it often and yet I look pretty much the same in all of them. The profile pic is advertising and if I don't look like that then isn't it deceptive advertising or bait and switch? CC also says the host profile pic should reflect how the host appears in her room!
Further, how can hosts ignore what the members are clearly saying pisses them off? You wonder why the one second guys...there is your answer. Why should you expect differently? I suggest you push that little button that says CAMERA when you enter and all will be resolved.
I don't know about you but the last time I checked members coming into my video's and chat are customers and to start off with the customer thinking they can't trust the host because she doesn't look a thing like her advertisement..... isn't a great business decision. My question is what do you have to hide anyway? If they are not sticking around for a video then it's not working!
Instead to trying to change the members thinking who are also the paying customers, I suggest you update your photo's more often.

what is your host name so i can come to your room. finally, a host that understands!

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Maybe it is a host or a studio boss checking you out....who knows!

Why would a host not want to post an actual pic of her in video that day? Hhhmmm guess that would seem to me like she doesn't look as good as her profile that day....or she doesn't want to bother looking that good.....I don't understand.

On my profile photo you can see my head, why to change the photo every day if I look really the same? No matter to do it really.

I appreciate that a host may not always look as good as her profile pic but I would like a host to at least resemble it.

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I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that the host did not resemble her profile / newest archive pictures in any way (and still have two fingers left over). Many more times I have been very pleasantly surprised because, once you see her face animated, smiling, screwing up her nose or making silly faces, the girl has actually looked a lot better than in her pictures.

There have been a few occasions that, although the girl did look like her pictures, she didn't look quite as attractive as I was expecting. But in those cases it is probably more to do with how the host acts rather than her not looking as attractive as her pictures (some hosts think that just by being naked they are sexy). In those situations I usually only stay 15 - 20 minutes before making an excuse and leaving (unless she was a very expensive host).

Now I'm sure that in a real life situation, where personalities are involved, I would find some of these girls more attractive than the ones I find attractive on here based purely on their physical looks.

Thank you for the detailed answer. It's good to have the view of the one that's on the other side of the cam :)
I guess many are different on and outside the cam, just like on and outside the internet.

Staying 15-20 minutes even if the host is not that cute, that's what I call effort to be nice :)

I do not see what the big deal is either....so a host takes one or two pics of each day...if she not want a member to see what she is wearing then take a pic of face or another part of the body that will still leave a mystery to what she is wearing....

but on the other hand...I take a pic each time I am online...and I still get the same question of what are you wearing...even while he is looking at the pictures...and I still get members come in for a minute or less...most times I don't even get to say hello and they are gone...that is just simple rudeness on the part of the member...i

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Maybe he is just shy and you are stunning when he comes in.....maybe a nosey host with a member account or a studio boss. I don't get that alot and so I don't understand it. Maybe too they could just not connect. I have seen that and they keep coming back.

I did not ask for advice, I did not complain about members leaving ME (?!) after a few seconds, I didn't even mention I was a host?! Some (wrong) assumptions and suggestions bored me to tears.
The majority understood my post perfectly well and shared their opinions - thanks.
Cheerio!

SnowSquirrel was also Sacrament , GorgeousMoon , and antiangels in Girl-Girl.

yes

When I am spending a lot I feel like a king, a hero, and the world loves me. When I cut back I realize the loser and schmuck that I really am, and no one asks for me.

yeah, sometimes it hits me just how much i'm spending on here to pretend these girls like me and feel bad. Some girls appreciate it, a few.

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This here is the same as in real life. You reap what you sow. We are the owners and creators of our own fate and most of the time we dont know it, but blame others when everything go wrong.

As "host" said it, it's the same for us.

I have some regulars that I am attached to, I care about them and I chase them from my video when they stay too long, or when I have problems but they insist on seeing me. I can't afford yet doing free sessions, as I don't have enough time to spend here and I'm trying to make the best of it, but I never turned them down for chats, and truth is, they chat a lot and come rarely in video for different reasons.

I was stupidly hurt when a guy dissapeared without notice. Learned my lesson and kept my distance, or at least I thought so. Another one dissapeared, but he came back and I told him what it made me feel like. So I got his e-mail and he appologised :)
I'm silly enough to care, but what can I do?

I'm sorry, 'me and maybe you', it got this way. Hope you will find a real friend :)

I had a friend here, she's still my friend - she didnt strip, we chatted a lot while she ate and fixed herself up. We both did pm on and off. She had breaks, sometimes long, for exams and trips.
After a long break on my part - card problems in fact - she got mad i hadnt been back. I was with other girls, she was mad to ever think i wasnt like others. I broke her heart as she puts it. Thanks.
We are still friends afterwards like i said. But ... is that just another ploy, a story you wd use to get the customer back, ... or the friend? The same person doesnt ever return

I would almost think it's me :) But I never said my heart was broken and I guess I'd understand if there were other girls, that's normal.
I would try to get the friend back. But that's just me :)
Sorry it went this way, it sucks.

It's that lesson you learned and the backing off. I don't know if she did that or if it's me, just the obvious lesson for me: i'm a customer and there's the end of it. Now she even apologises and sometimes freezes video - i;m going to boot brb - to get her kit off with another guy. Before she's made a point of aloneness together, but mbe that was always fake. Anything now could have been (if u r a customer) I even say listen just say if u r gonna b busy - that gets passed over.

I used to write messages to the members that I considered friends, but not too many answered, so I think they don't really care to keep in touch outside of pvt

This is a business. The girls are here to make money. It is a job. The members pay for the host's time in pvt. and they do whatever they do. Its really that simple.

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oh yes realist we know it is a job--so how many times have you been in love here

I fall in love at least 5 times a day here. But I am as fat as a walrus. I haven't seen my 2 inch dick in years. My face is covered with seaweed and warts. I am so ugly that when I turn my cam on, it causes the hosts' eyes to bleed. I fart constantly. I couldn't get laid in a women's prison with a pocketful of pardons. I am a total loser. I am the bottom of the the barrel. I am the typical cc member.

Most viewers in my room send their cams during the sessions, so I have to disagree with you most cc-members look good and have nice bodies and big cocks. ;p So speak only for yourself please.

Telling members what they want to hear is your job.

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You need glasses.

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Good question. I go to many cam sites. And most have viewer profiles. And I see what these guys look like. True not all have profiles, but enough to give a true picture. Its also common sense. If these guys could get laid in the real world, they would be on any cam site. Duh.

you just like thinking that all members here are unattractive as you..lol..sorry but I merely dont believe in member who are going through hundreds profiles of other members, its just hilarious ...why would you do it? then again are you really sure that only hot guys have sex in real world? you are very wrong and funny. :)

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Do you mean viewers lie to me that they are married? ))) More than funny! What the excuse can be for them to do it? And why I am so naive that shouldnt believe them in this fact? :)

Interesting that you would be looking at other members profiles.
Quite honestly I have seen some very hot successful men come into
my room and so I think you are all wet......sorry I just can't agree that all guys that come here have major issues.
What is your reason by the way?

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I don't look at member profiles, but when they post in public areas everyone can see their photo. And it looks like animal kingdom. And I work with losers like these guys in the real world. That is how I know. I'm old as shit now , but when I was younger there was no internet, but if I wanted to meet girls, I would go to the local bar. And yes I am married.

In my experience there are 4 types of friends.

False friends
Fair weather Friends
Forgotten Friends
Forever Friends.

We all know the first and it is hard to avoid them. We all like to feel valued and needed and people who play to our ego's prey on our insecurities. Lying and manipulating us to play whatever twisted game they get their kicks from.

Fair weather friends are a little different. They are full of good intentions but when the pressure comes or when you are your lowest and need real support they vanish usually in a flurry of excuses.

Forgotten friends are the most common. They are genuine friends who come together through circumstance and may continue together for many years until circumstances change and they drift apart. It is not through malice or neglect but rather just some friends become superfluous over time. Sometimes they will think of you but almost as quickly as they do they forget you. You are not missed.

Forever friends are a rare as Taaffeite earrings but they do exist and as the name implies they stay with you forever. It is not that you have to talk to them everyday or even on a regular basis It is just when you do talk and catch up it is as if you never stopped talking. They care to think about you when you least expect it and you stay on their mind when you least request it. Often you share birthday and Christmas in some form or another and continue to be relevant to each other despite getting married and having families. These will stay with you your entire life and they will enrich it unimaginably.

Few of us can claim to have such friends but fewer sill can claim to be such friends.

Everyone else are just companions on your way through life. It maybe friendly companionship but it is temporary.

This is just my opinion of course but it comes from long experience.

TNT

That sounds fair to me and very well put. I like it :)

You failed to mention the most important type of friends. Imaginary friends :)
They mostly only visit when you want them to. They go away when you want them to. They only ever want to go to the pub when you want to go too. They encourage you to do things you wouldn't normally do.

I wouldn't have joined cc if my imaginary friend hadn't told me to.

So imaginary friends are the best :D

Do you think that going to bed with a good friend is the quickest way to ruin a good relationship?

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