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Since you are not getting any response I might suggest that you post in technical forum instead. Good Luck!

well, if u jump into other peoples videos then u have no right to be pissed off if the host is doing what her primary viewer wants, no matter what the category! If you want a host to be committed to the rules then get you own video, dont hijack others.

I disagree 100%. The rules come first, and I guaranty CC agrees with that since they made the rules. It isn't about hijacking other's video. It is about a member going into hard core where a show is required and getting what he is paying for regardless of who got there first.

If a member wants priority, he should go 121 or ask for a password. And if the host doesn't want to deal with more than one member, she should tell her visitors to go 121 or give them a password.

Where did this idea come from that open is just a discounted 121 where nobody else but the first member matters? That isn't what open is. In life, sometimes first come, first served applies, but this is not one of those situations.

There are rules regarding what a host must do in certain categories and there are rules against being rude. Hosts need to follow these rules. And members, especially the first one, need to respect these rules and stop using open as a discounted 121. Spend the extra money or accept that the host's first obligation is to the rules and not to the first guy into video.

For my part, I rather avoid problems so I almost always try to be the first guy into video if going into open. But there is nothing wrong with the second, third, fourth viewer entering open and talking to the host and asking for a show if one is required. That is what open is for. If a guy wants to enter open and just chat in hard core, he is taking his chances that nobody else will enter, and so is the host if she doesn't offer a password or suggest that he goes 121. There is no first come, first served rule. That is why CC has passwords and 121.

Any member that disagrees simply is looking for a discount by going open instead of 121 or doesn't want to be bothered asking for a password. Any host that disagrees is not respecting the rules under which she is working. I can understand it can be annoying to enter video, ask for a password, and leave, but that is what needs to happen, or the member should go 121. Otherwise, the first member and the host assume the risk of someone else entering video, and once that happens the host MUST follow the rules and strip if required and not be rude by ignoring people.

I challenge any of you to produce an email from CC that says anything to the contrary. It may be a better idea to avoid situations like this so that is what I personally do, but unless a guy is being annoying and doing things like typing publicly instead of privately about how horny he is, et cetera, I see nothing wrong with guys entering video after I do. I obviously rather that they wait, but I have no right to expect that they will and neither does anybody else.

Stop being lazy, cheap or both and use passwords or 121. That is the correct way to handle situations such as being discussed here.

First of all.....as has been posted in the forums soooooooooooo many times ......there are many members that get pissed off when a host asks for one to one...

Second....I wonder how Moonlit Knight would feel if either by mistake or intentionally enters an open session and then another member comes in and the host does as he says and then goes to the other new member who wants something completely different?

Third....according to what some of you are saying a host in the open session is to do what everyone who enters the video wants...well how in the world can u possibly expect a host to be in an open session and say three people show up, and all want something different...for example...

one wants her to strip completely...the second says keep your clothes on and only remove your panty...and the third says to just pose on your hands and knees nude...

So now I ask those of you that say all in the open session are paying and should get what they want...so now I ask those same people...what does the host? it is very obvious that she can to do all three requests at the same time....now can she?

First, members don't like being told to go 121 for nudity by hard core hosts since it is against the rules. And they don't like being told to go 121 by soft core hosts since it costs more. But these are not the issues here. The issue here is the member being told to go 121 for exclusivity. My response if he doesn't like it: too bad. You are in open so deal with it.

Second, if I am in open and other members are not being obnoxious and typing publicly about how hard they are, et cetera, I have no objection. I rather have the host all to myself so there is no delay in her typing to me and so she does what I want, but if I am not willing to pay for 121, my response to myself: too bad.

Third, a host can give priority to requests. She just can't ignore people. But...

Fourth, if a request is made for nudity in hard core, the host MUST give that request priority. I suppose there could be issues as to a host wearing a certain outfit which reveals all of the key areas versus being completely naked, but I imagine that CC would say it is sufficient that the hosts private areas were all exposed. Maybe they would give a credit, maybe they wouldn't, but I doubt the host would get in trouble, and I have yet to see anyone post about such a situation. But if one guy wants bra covering breasts with no panties and another guy wants breasts showing too, that is not complete nudity under any definition.

I think the real issue is no nudity versus nudity; however, and if a guy requests nudity in not so shy or instant action, the rules say he gets priority. The host doesn't have a choice.

There is no confusion. It is about everybody wanting what they want, when they want it, how they want it, et cetera. Well, there are rules to govern everything, and they work fine when people follow them. This is really about guys wanting discounts by not paying for 121 and hosts being concerned that a good member (who probably is the one doing the chatting) will get angry and not come back if she starts doing a show. I understand that. But for the 100th time, all she has to do is go soft core and her problem is over. If she is so worried about losing traffic since she is no longer in hard core, then put in her profile and her personal forum, I WILL GIVE YOU A NAKED SHOW UNLESS I AM CHATTING WITH ANOTHER MEMBER. It isn't a perfect solution, but it would help. And besides, the "popular hosts" here are usually soft core hosts so she could actually see her traffic increase.

In any event, the rules are what they are. If CC wants to add a first come, first served rule, that's their choice. But until they do, the host and member need to work within the current rules and respect them.

These are from two of your posts...

"And if the host doesn't want to deal with more than one member, she should tell her visitors to go 121 or give them a password. "

"First, members don't like being told to go 121 for nudity by hard core hosts since it is against the rules. And they don't like being told to go 121 by soft core hosts since it costs more"

that is a confusion right there...on the one hand you are saying members do not like being told to go 121 but then you are
also telling hosts to tell members to go 121

Yes hosts are given rules and guidelines for each category they are in and those rules and guidelines must be followed...and when that is met then her next obligation is to the member in her video...yes cc says in hard core she must get nude when asked and that a host in soft core must follow through with what she agreed to do ...

but cc does not say and there is no rule that says when a member comes into an open session and says I want you nude by the end of this session but for the moment I only want you remove your bra and another member enters the same open session and says remove all your clothes right now and I do not care if the first member wants to take his time and have you remove ur clothing....there is no rule in cc that says she has to stop doing what the first member asked for in order to accomdate what the second member is asking for....that is why many hosts will say, I am with someone right now so please either wait your turn or come back....

And yes this is an issue....both members are paying and both members do not want the same thing...

If that is the case then when you say you try to avoid the problems by trying to be the first guy into video, that really would not help you because according to you, if another member enters then your request will no longer matter.

If she is suppose to do what the other member wants as well...if you want her nude and he wants her to dress so he can watch her strip it off again then your request of her staying nude will become void ...one of you will have to wait for what you are requesting...you have to admit that it is not possible for a host to do what two people want a the same time in one video when both want different...one of your requests is going to get ignored...

In terms of the 121 issue, there is no confusion. There might be a conflict since I am saying that hosts can suggest members go 121 but members might not want to do so, but that doesn't mean there is any type of confusion. It simply means that if the member refuses to go 121, then he has to accept the consequences of other guys entering video.

Second, in terms of the type of show, for Instant Action, your scenario is covered. Hosts specifically agree to a policy that states, "Also getting naked must not take a long time. This is not the category for a slow strip tease show." Therefore, once again, the rule says the guy that wants the fast show MUST get priority. That is the default. For not so shy, the host would have discretion as to whether to strip fast or do a slower tease since there is no such language. I suppose if she chose the slower tease and it was longer than say 5 minutes there could be some issues, but unless the host is from Colombia, I don't think this will be a problem, lol. There is also a rule against stalling by the way.

No rules are perfect. That is why there are lawyers and judges. In this case, the member writing to CC is acting as the lawyer on his own behalf and CC is the judge. CC will fill in the gaps in the event of any "confusion", but I don't really think that there is all that much that is vague. Rather, people just ignore what the existing rules say.

And once again, people aren't really focusing on anything other than chatting in hard core. You are simply coming up with hypotheticals that, while realistic, don't seem to be a major issue. I suppose that you can then take it to the next level and say "Okay, what if the chatter wants to screw with other guys and ask for a slow strip instead of a fast one. Can't the host go really, really slowly?" As stated, that won't work in Instant Action if someone requests a fast strip, and as for not so shy, since she can't stall, when CC sees the complaining member typing over and over in the video log that he would like her to pick up the pace, the host is going to get a warning, one star from the member, and the member will probably get a credit.

I just don't see this as a big deal if hosts and members accept that the rules for not so shy and hard core require stripping if requested by any member in video. It isn't like there are typically 10 guys in video at once all of the time with all of them making conflicting requests. And a smart host can accomodate multiple requests by stripping a little faster than the guy that wants the slow strip would like and a little slower than the guy that wants the fast strip would like in not so shy, for example. And she can change positions, et cetera, and let guys know that more than one member is in video so she is handling one request at a time. But if hosts want to risk lower ratings and posts in the member forum, by ignoring people completely and breaking rules, and not being good at communicating with members about the situation, that's fine. But most hosts really can't afford that unless they are the top hosts here, and anyway, most of those hosts are in soft core already so they can do what they want as long as they treat everyone with respect.

By the way, if everyone wants to give the first viewer priority, this is fine by me. I usually go open, and generally only enter open if I am the first guy there. If hosts want to ignore everybody else that enters video after me and give me a discounted 121, that's fine. Go for it hosts! Cost yourselves money. I am simply saying that members have zero right to expect this. And since I am almost always asking for a show, and wouldn't mind seeing any host strip if I was just chatting, I don't think any member will have a problem when he jumps into a video session when I am there first. My conversation can always wait, lol.

Okay new rule proposal: Dear CC, Please tell all hosts that the first guy into open video gets the host's exclusive attention. Anyone else is just a voyeur and just accept whatever is going on. If that is what people really want, as long as I know that is the new rule, it is fine by me.

huh...interesting thread.

Personally, if I'm second in to an open session, I always treat it basically as a voyeur session. I don't make requests, and I only message privately and only just often enough to seem friendly and not completely quiet and creepy. I've never thought of it being a matter of rule that I could ask for and expect more, I've just always thought such behavior would be dickish to the guy who was there before me.

If its open video anybody else can enter and both, 1st and 2nd and sometimes a 3rd viewer have equal rights since everyone is paying the established rate. Its the same as an open house sale that all buyers are invited to inspect the property. If your host favorites you then she should make a private session with password just for you(as some hosts already do). If you want exclusivity and your host "doesn't" want just you in her video at the open video then pay 121 rate. Otherwise you have no choice, but to share your host with other members. And... I will always enter open video, be it me first or someone. I dont care ;-)

"other peoples video" ?
a paying member who is the first one in an OPEN session does not owe the action.
OPEN is the word.

I totally agree with Moonlit Knights reply's to you. It is not up to you to honor the first guest in open and ignore the others. It is a matter of you learning to figure out how to keep all entertained and I am sure your chatter won't mind either. Especially in hardcore categories. It is just that an open session and the guy that comes into open to chat knows he's taking a chance of others coming in and that is the way it goes. I don't understand these hosts creating this first come first serve like at it would be at a retail outlet where everyone must stand in line to pay for their purchases. It's not even close to that. It's an open session for as many viewers as can fit. It's also an opportunity for the host to make a lot of money. Even in softcore when others start entering open I start acknowledging all and make it enjoyable. For that reason too I keep my 121 price reasonably low so that the ones that want exclusive can choose that option without it being unreasonably expensive.
As a host it is to your benefit for you to learn to entertain many at one time. Being in hardcore especially because if you are sitting there chatting with one guy then you are losing money and you're not doing what the rules require for your category. It's up to you to welcome all in to your open session and instead of taking special requests do a show that will entertain all. If they want special requests then that is a 121 option that they can choose. It's not appropriate for you to ignore others or ask them to come back. Who ever started that rumor is dead wrong!! You need to adjust your mind set or you are going to piss off a lot of viewers. They have the right to come in and expect the show that is expected in that category. I think it is reasonable to expect bad reviews too if you are doing otherwise.
I hope CC speaks ups or enough complain to them so that they correct this new rule that some hosts have started....it's bull and it will cost the host.

I look at categories simply as indicators as to how likely I am to get a show. Beyond that, they mean very little. So yes, as you move from glamour to little shy to not so shy to instant action, you are more likely to get a show, toys et cetera but that hardly means that you won't see soft core hosts acting like instant action hosts in open.

Host choose categories based on location on the who is online page and price, not just on the rules, as I indicated below. An instant action style host that has just average appearance simply cannot get away with charging instant action prices so she is forced to choose little shy, for example. And some hosts pick glamour simply because it is at the top of the page and thing it is more popular or at least will get them more attention.

As for open, whether I go right into open video or free chat depends on my mood and the price. The higher the price, the more likely I will enter free chat first. The bigger my most recent credit card bill, the more likely I will enter free chat first, lol. I also look for signs of problems such as hosts under 4,5 stars, comments in her forum, her profile, type of pics in her archive, difference in price from open to 121, whether she offers hi-lo, to try to see if she is willing to strip, does she stall, and whether she will say go 121.

Obviously, I am just guessing, but a member can often hear the words "121" before the host ever says them, and if the 121 price is too high, I will often not even bother taking the time to ask the host if my suspicions are correct. There are just too many other hosts so unless I am in love with her pics, I just move on. The hi, how are u, blah blah blah routine in free chat takes too long, and I am not going to just jump into free and say "Hey... You get naked?" A member needs to be a bit more diplomatic, which takes time, so I target hosts that I think I have a better chance with when soft core.

I don't think any of this is all that complicated. It is just time consuming and annoying when you want to find someone you are attracted to, get a show, and go take a shower. And the hosts that act like you committed murder if you ask about what they do in video when in free chat, make it even worse.

"And the hosts that act like you committed murder if you ask about what they do in video when in free chat, make it even worse."

I get that a lot.

Yes that would get to a member when put that way....

But I hope that you understand it is not always easy for a host to say what she does in a video, as not all member want to see the same thing, we all know the end result that majority of viewers want...but it is the road that each member wants to take is what varies so much. :)

I think you just need to be honest about things and answer questions directly. I cannot speak for everyone, but I would expect that most guys' number one concern is if you strip and if you will require 121 (if soft core). Some may ask about toys, anal, squirting, outfits, et cetera too, but it seems that all of that can be easily discussed too. The only issue is when the member gets his answers and keeps wasting your time in free chat. At that point, choose the ignore option and move on.

The issue that average viewer and I have had with hosts is that a very typical response by a soft core host to a question such as "Do you get naked in video?" is "I'm not Instant Action." Members get that type of response all of the time even from hosts that do strip and even if the member is not the so-called "two minute man". Many hosts simply are not receptive to this question and, as I stated, act like the member killed someone by asking it.

It is very annoying to members. I can tell you that if I am there for a show, unless you simply are not exciting me in any way, it is unlikely I will ever leave video before 10 minutes, and probably will be there 15 to 20 if not longer. But because of some host's attitude, I will avoid the question and try a less direct approach. For example, I might tell the host I need relief and ask what she can do for me. That still can lead to the "I'm not instant action" response, but at least it isn't quite as in your face as "Do you get naked?" so that type of approach can work a bit better.

Yes I agree being honest and answering questions directly is best.

I do not speak for all women on here and I would not even try to, but being a female, who has been in both hard core and soft core categories, I think I know a little bit more about what will piss her off or get her to say go to instant action. lool

If all this is taking place in text chat then...

Asking a host (if in soft cor) what she can do for you because you need relief is not always the best thing to ask, because then there is a good chance that you will get the response of "well it depends on what you want" or "go to instant action"..so unless you are willing to have that as a response, then ok do it that way....Some where along the way you are going to have to say that you want her to get nude for you..if a host can help you get the relief you want without getting nude, then that is the option she will try to take...lol The best way is to simply say I need relief and will be asking you to remove ur clothing and be nude for me..is that possible...

If a host (if soft core) is not wanting to get undressed nor willing to get undressed for you, or is going get pissed off or tell you to go to instant action or where ever, when she is asked to undress, it wont matter how you ask. if she has no intention of doing it.

There are a lot of hosts that prefer you tell them what you are wanting without being rude, crude and cold about it..so that you will get either a yes or a no...without all the word games...and then it is up to you if you decide to try other ways of getting her to get nude or to do something else instead...

There is nothing more frustrating then trying to remember and list allllll the ways and things that a host can do for you so that you get the relief you want, without leaving an option out..lool If a member gives the host an idea of what he is wanting that makes a difference to and will also get you an answer, as well as an option to other things that are possible...

But If a member is jumping into video and says to the host (if soft core) I need relief what can you do for me? then automatically the host is going to say sounds like you need instant action, because the first thing she is going to think is that you are wanting her to strip, spread, insert masterbate....that is when you will get the "go to instant action" response..lol

I just used that relief example as one example since some hosts seem to have a problem if asked do they get naked no matter how nicely you say it. But as to how they interpret my statements, whether it is the relief example or something else, they know what I am asking. Nobody has said "Are you thirsty? I can get you some water." lol.

The problem is no matter how you say it, some hosts just will attack you. But as for video, I personally don't ask hosts to strip in 10 seconds anyway, regardless of the category. I say hi, how are you, et cetera, and if I already did that in free chat, I still will be nice and say she looks nice and can I see more even in hard core. I want a good show, and a lot of times, I already know the host, so it usually pays to be nice.

Ironically, there actually is another problem. Some hosts strip too fast for my tastes. I definitely want them naked, but it is nice to see a strip of 2 or 3 minutes first in my view. But a few hosts, including soft core, already are naked and breaking out their toys before I even have gotten myself ready to have fun. (No, I won't be providing a list of such hosts, gentlemen.)

most members demand that you strip fast and get mad if u take 2 or 3 mins to be nude...that why member need to say what they want....saying go nude does not say if they want fast or slow.

Agree. Very important what kind of strip a viewer prefer, fast or slow. And they never clarify.

To ask a host if she gets naked in pvt is a pretty basic question that only requires a yes or no answer.

Yes very correct. asking that way is pretty simple and does not sound rude at all... :)

Very sorry for long response...I only have one small problem from all that you said... loool...

"Host choose categories based on location on the who is online page and price, not just on the rules, as I indicated below."

I am sorry to say but you are making a general statement which is not completely correct...there are many hosts on here that pick their category based on the rules and guidelines given to us as hosts which are not the same as given to members...

I did not and do not pick a category based on location on the who is online page and price, I pick my category based on what I am comfortable doing as do a number of hosts.

My price is the same as when I was in hardcore category or soft core, because I still do a lot of the same things, I just am not able to constantly shove a toy in or start masterbating the instant a member enters the video and demands it....when I am able and willing to do that then I will go back into the hard core category and my price will still stay the same...

Please Moonlit Knight...you are constantly making judgements and statements as tho you are talking all about hosts..and that is not a fair thing to do.

There is one post that you responded to telling a member that he should report host to cc as you assume he had a problem with her, and the advice you have given is based on information that you do not have...normally yes when a member has a host that does not follow through on what she agreed to do before video started, then yes by all means report her.. But again please make sure that you have the facts when you tell a member to report a host...

I meant that among the factors that hosts consider are location on the page, minimum price, and the category requirements. I understand that everyone would balance things differently.

I apologize for not being as specific as you would like. There are times when we make general statements here, and in my case at least, I don't intend such statements to apply 100% of the time unless I am saying a rule says a particular thing. In this case, we are discussing things that are not as definite so I was not trying to say every host makes her decisions the same way. I think in a post below I was a bit more clear about this same issue, but perhaps I was not.

I also understand my experiences are not the same as everyone else's and know the difference between opinion and fact. But as a long time member, with lots of interaction with CC, with complete access to exactly what hosts see, and with lots of interaction with hosts on CC over the years, I think my opinion is pretty well-informed. The only time I would be less confident in what I say would be in trying to get inside another member's mind since I don't interact with them. I will never understand slaves, for example, lol. But as for hosts, I think I have a very good idea as to where they are coming from, and I definitely feel confident in my understanding of most of the rules and policies of CC.

Judging by your replies in this thread either your confidence in your understanding is mis-placed or you misunderstood the original poster. Even if a host is in a hardcore category her first responsibility is to try to follow the member's requests if he is the only one in her video. If a member simply wants to chat with an IA host and does not immediately want a show she is not obliged to give him one. Anyone who joins the video later should not feel pissed off that the host is not naked. On the other hand the second viewer is entitled to request the IA host to immediately start to strip regardless of what the first viewer wants. The host should comply with this. If the first viewer is not happy about this then he should leave and come back later. SImilarly in Not Shy a member who enters video when someone else is already should expect to spend a few minutes chatting with the host before asking her to strip, as would be the case if there was no one in her video when he entered. It is the members who jump into a video session that is already in progress, hoping to find the host already nake that are cheap, not the ones who enter video first. The host should not ignore second (or third or forth members) who enter a video session but should also not ignore the first member. The big problem for the hosts is when members make conflicting requests for actions during a show. In this case the only thing a host can do is explain that there are several in video and she will fulfil all requests but cannot do so immediately.

I agree with most of what you said. I don't think I ever said a host must get naked if nobody requests it. And I never said a member that jumps into an ongoing video in hard core had a right to expect the host to already be naked. I pretty much said exactly what you said.

The only thing that I take issue with is that I would say that besides the guy jumping into an ongoing video arguably being cheap, I do think that any member expecting a host's full attention or some type of special priority when in open just because he is the first member there is cheap. Well, cheap might not be the right word, but he is definitely trying to save some money, and for him to get angry if he doesn't get this priority in open session seems inappropriate to me. It is OPEN session, NOT 121. And it is especially wrong when either the host or the member try to institute some type of first come, first served rule in an environment when actual rules trump that notion.

Well that is not really going to help a host much unless she has 5 stars, because no one really knows where they will be on the whose online page until they actually open their room...loool Even with 4.5 stars a host will not know where she will be on the list until she actually opens her room...the only way of factoring in that is if she keeps jumping from category to category until she is where she wants to on the list, or if she looks and sees who and how many are online and then jumps online...loool...

Yes we all have our times of making general statments..without realizing we are doing it...

I understand your a long time member and you have probably spoken to many hosts and have gotton to know what those hosts are like and how to approach those hosts that you have had interaction with, just like we as hosts have had lots of interaction with me members and we know the different requests and that even one member will not always want the same thing the same way, let alone the same host all the time...but there are still many hosts that you have not interacted with that might not agree with you or I..just like there are probably many members that might not agree with you or I. and there are those of both that really dont care what we are saying...loool..

Yes there are many differences between fact and opinion, as well as between individuals and situations...and it is not possible to understand nor know how each person will react, see, respond, or understand a situation until it actually happens...it is the same with something that is said, no one knows how they will respond to it till after it is read or said..and even then it will be different according to the person's frame of mind and mood at the time as to how they perceive something, one can read something three different times and depending on what mood they are in they might see that same thing in a different way each time. loool...

When I said where they appear on the page, I meant some might choose Glamour since it comes first as opposed to something like Instant Action because it is further down the page. I considered the idea of a host jumping from category to category to do as you suggested, but I wasn't focusing on that.

I found the category guide lines - pretty general and loose and indefinite, if you ask me. But where are the specific rules that hosts are bound to honor? I see them mentioned in this thread, but can't find them anywhere.

Because it is a closely guarded secret

If your not a host then you wont get the rules that hosts get...

If you register as a host then you will see the rules that hosts get....

Just like we don't get the rules or what ever you get as members...unless we become a member ......loooool

"Just like we don't get the rules or what ever you get as members...unless we become a member ......loooool"

Not true. You can read all in Terms and Conditions.

no what we have are the chathost terms and conditions. that show what the terms and conditions are about the site itself, being a chathost and what the site can do with the photos and such that we submit.

We do not see Members terms and conditions nor do we see Members rules.

I have never seen any rules, nor terms and conditions for members either.

Do members even get any rules?

I think it is reasonable that you would get pissed if in IA or NSS if you go into an open session and the host ignores you or asks for you to come back.
There is no first come, first serve. It is up to the host to entertain all in the room with what her category requires and her profile. She should resort to her "show" if there are several in the room and asking for special requests. At that time she could offer them 121 as an option if they want her undivided attention and make requests. There is no order of anyone coming into the room and if the first one only wants to chat then he should also expect that as soon as someone else enters then her attention is shared with him and all that enter after that.
Somehow lately these hosts have created justification to only acknowledge 1 member in open but it is totally wrong and actually kinda stupid on her part because she is losing money.
I think all members should respect the fact that in open there is no exclusivity and they have the option of choosing 121 when others leave.
I think you are justified in taking necessary actions available to you if you are asked to leave or ignored in open and the host refuses to do the show that she has written in her profile and is expected by her category that she chose.
I think it is only reasonable to understand when there are many in open that her show will be rather general and not with special requests.

Hi as a host who was in not so shy...I found it very difficult when there would be a number of members in at the same time...one asked for doggy, another asked to sit on toy and third asked for on back legs apart...I politely let them all know that there were three in asking for different and if it was possible to for me to do something that all three would be happy with, I was told no by all three and that they were paying so just do as told..I tried to do what each asked but it was not possible to do all three things at the same time

As each time I tried to attempt to do what was asked each would get mad and say that is not what I wanted nor asked for...and they became very angry...this type of thing has happened on number of occasions, where more than one member at a time will be in open session asking for different things at the same time. It is not that I am unwilling to do what is asked.

So seeing as you seem sooo well experienced what would you have done? I would like to learn so that I can be as good as you seem to be....

I am sorry that you experienced that. I think my reply to all would be this is an open session and I can not meet special requests when there are many in the room. Therefore I am going to give you a sexy show and if you would like my undivided attention another time please feel free to join me in 121.
In open when there are many I think you have to take control and do your show or sexy dance or whatever you think would be entertaining to all without special requests. I think guys tend to expect that when there are several. To let them know that there are others in the room is a very good idea because I don't know what they can see other than right before they entered your room.
Good Luck and I hope you find it helpful because it really adds up fast when you can entertain all in open even if you can't meet each of the viewers requests. I think it should be used to give a good show but also encourage them to take you to 121 to enjoy you privately. :))

I agree. I look at open with several viewers as a Group Show that most other sites have. A viewer gives up control of the video to save a great deal of money and the host can do requests one at a time. Back in the day before 121, this is the way it was. And I recall all hosts being much busier than they are these days.

I think that if a member enters an open session, he should also be aware that there might be so many other members there that his own requests might take some time to get to. Again, the price for opting for non-exclusivity.

I totally agree with both. Going into open session is taking of chance of sharing a show with many others. I think the host should (especially in hardcore)should preform a show that in general viewers will enjoy and not specific requests unless they are fortunate to be the only one in the room. 121 is for private time with the host to make your special requests without interruptions. I think Open Session was designed for the host to actually do a show that will give all viewers a taste of what she is like with absolutely no exclusivity. When another member enters open they share in the ongoing show and not chat if in the categories that require nudity. Her responsibility is only to entertain in general as specified in the category and her profile to all that come into open. There is no preference given to anyone at the point where others enter. Viewers should understand that and not expect exclusivity either.

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Pffffffffffft.
Being "yourself" is an illusion.

"Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power." Lao Tzu

How is it possible to master yourself if you can't first even be yourself?

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that death,...


A coward dies a thousand deaths a hero dies but one?

You're getting caught up in words.

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"maybe the quote was referring to the teaching system in our schools..? lol :)"

Yes, perhaps so, and when you fight the "system," whoever "they" might be, doesn't that eventually define you, in your own mind? I think that's a trap. You are really not that person. The person you are is not who you think you are.

Thank you, EnchantressX, for your reply; I see you're in Not Shy... but I won't let that define who you are... :))))))

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Or maybe they realize that even if that girl is in instant action, and she does perform sex shows for him when he feels like it, she s cool and interesting to chat with.

I guess you mean hosts having something like the following in their profile "What you can expect from my show

Yuo can expect an interesting talk and many other things....."

That is copied and pasted from the profile of an IA host

Or maybe she is a friend working in several categories and this viewer caught her wherever he found her on line...
Your theory seems to confirm me also that there are other people in society who suffer from a persecution complex, and of course they'll find reasons to feel such an attitude directed at them in case they face it.
Entering a room that is already occupied means taking a risk. There are so many free girls, why to wish being second in line by entering a busy chatroom?

"Entering a room that is already occupied means taking a risk. There are so many free girls, why to wish being second in line by entering a busy chatroom?"

Good question. One reason is for just a quick look before I go to another host. Its just what I and maybe some others members like to do. Its all about personal choice as so many in this forum like to say all the time. And it is the category that starts off by saying "Don't have time for small talk"

seems to be working, it's pissing you off

Or maybe you really don't understand how complex a human being is, even a man that comes on a porn site. Why does it have to go down to "he's doing it to piss off others". I don't think they care about others. They want something, they pay for it. It's so dumb to insult all those men that simply like a girl and would like to know a bit more about her.

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I also agree. People are complex and some want more of the girl then just her body! You have a friend who understands you and you can tell everything. And then maybe you can even meet in real if all is right!

"People are complex and some want more of the girl then just her body!"

Not in IA!

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I think that's called prejudice(s)."

No its called categories. You know something for every taste that is used by many softcore hosts in this forum.

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" why is an IA host obliged to do a show?"

Because it is a CC rule. If a member is chatting in IA with host and a new member enters and asks the host to strip, she must comply. You can ask CC if you need verification

She wasn't asking the question because she didn't know the answer. In fact, she answered it in the very next sentence:
"About categories... why is an IA host obliged to do a show? Because that's what the viewer usually wants and expects. But if the viewer wants something else, she's supposed to comply."

You basically only reiterated redundantly what she already said. "supposed to" = "CC rules"

Again, not all viewers coming to IA want hardcore nudity. Just because that's what you want, please quit classifying every one of the rest of us viewers in your perspective. And yes, I suppose you are correct also, in that even if another viewer comes in after and wants a harcore nudity show, in IA, she is supposed to comply, regardless of the first-come/first-serve understanding which seems to prevail elsewhere. Which, when you think about it, is a pissy rule for the one came first and has been paying the longest.

Even if in IA, in my opinion, it should be the first-come/first-serve rule.

But unfortunately, CC does not always see things my way.

"Again, not all viewers coming to IA want hardcore nudity"

Oh really? Then why does CC have this in their guidelines?

Girls Home Alone - Instant Action
Don't have time for small talk? This is the category for you! This is an adult category, and nudity is not only allowed, it is a given!

For those wanting to talk, there is non adult, Glamour and Little Shy. For those wanting hardcore action there is IA!

Well, if you can't figure that one out, pity!

Obviously, the category is intended to cater to the hardcore enthusiast. But where does that mean ALL, are looking for hardcore?

Read my words, and understand.

Since when did CC start dictating what choices viewers could make? The category is AVAILABLE for those wishing hardcore nudity. It is not required that those who go there must go there only for that reason.

Again, you are trying to fit everyone else into YOUR mold.

MyHeart4Yours is 100% correct.
I will always go where my cash allows me. As long as I can pay I can go where I wish. I am not here for nudity, I come here to have a great time talking and getting acquainted with beautiful women. Nobody can force me to do otherwise. Just do what you wish and leave the real gentlemen alone!

You are entitled to go to any category you choose and not get a show of nudity if the host wants to chat but you are cheap and wrong to go to hardcore and go into open session and expect that the host should sit there and chat with you when others come into open and are expecting nudity. You have the option of leaving if that is not what you want to see. Don't be so cheap and take her to 121 if you don't want the interruptions and her entertaining others that come into open. You are actually costing the host $$ if you are expecting her to ignore other guests in open and you are wrong to do so.

There is no wrong if the host agrees that I have priority in an open session, and I want to chat (for a little while, or for a longer time), in whatever category.

If she doesn't agree because she wants to entertain more members in an open session, I have no argument with that. Then I can choose to go 121, or not.

I really don't care what you think about it, regardless.

OMG how many times do we have to have this conversation?

In my view you are absolutely correct. An IA host is certainly within her rights to tell me, if I am in open, that she will strip because another viewe wants that, and I will accept it, and either leave or stay. But if we agree to do whatever we are doing because I was the first to arrive, that should be our CHOICE. It's quite simple.

Because I keep entertaining the hope that one day the message will sink in to this one who will not let the matter lie.

But unfortunately, it is like talking to a brick wall.

My theory is that these knuckle heads that go to IA just to chat have no idea what this site is for. They see a beautiful young chick in video and they use $$$ to seduce her. True the girls are here for the $$$, but in their fantasy the knuckle head thinks the girl will be thankful and greatful for his gentleness if does not ask her for a strip and she will of course fall in love easily. It ends up the 40 something seducer becomes seduced by a 19 year old that barely speaks english, but she is smarter and will of course let him play his game. He leaves with a smile and thinking everyday he is winning by his own rules. Pity most girls are here to work and make $$$ and the idiots that "love" to show off their easy earned $$$ with long hours in her vid will always end up with just a hefty credit card bill to pay.

Aaaaaaand your problem is? Why does it concern YOU what another viewer does with his money? His money, his time, his decision. Ok, it's host's time too and it becomes her money. If you enter and she doesn't want to strip because she'd offend the other guy, ok, that's a problem, but I doubt there are many situations like that one.
You're all big boys (from an age point of view, I don't wish to talk about size) and you are well aware of what you are doing with your money. None if responsible for what another does. So why does it matter to you? (besides the situation where it might interfere with your show, in which case you can go find another girl)

Finally a sane reply by someone who gets it. Thank you brother.

I highly doubt that there is some grand conspiracy by a bunch of rich viewers that like to go to IA and chat just to piss other viewers off. They may enjoy that they are having this effect, but I doubt that this is their primary motivation.

They are chatting with IA hosts because they happen to like chatting and don't care about the category. Maybe they have hopes of marrying a host some day so they don't ask for a show (except when they come back with another account and don't give their cam, lol). Or maybe they just find that particular host interesting and are willing to pay to talk to her. But to think that there is anything more than a very low percentage of viewers that would just chat simply to annoy others seems like an absurd notion and sells a lot of interesting women here short.

Categories are there so that a viewer knows what to expect IF he wants what that particular category offers. So, for example, if he wants a guaranteed, instant nude show, he can go to IA. If he wants a nude show but doesn't mind chatting a few minutes first, he can go to Not So Shy. But that isn't what everyone here wants.

I almost always go to a host's room for a show. I'm not here to make friends. But even if I get that show, that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the woman as a person and might not pay just to chat latter and end up as friends. In my case, I won't keep going back just to chat most of the time, but what's wrong with other guys deciding to do so?

I personally pay to chat about 5% of the time. I don't believe in paying for friends and will chat for money when I want to see someone I consider a friend on cam, and I don't worry about the category. The other 95% of the time I am chatting on yahoo or in text chat and unless a host is busy, they don't seem to mind chatting with me.

I think you are letting your frustration with hosts that don't follow the rules get the best of your better judgment and now you want to blame the viewer. The viewer isn't out to get you or or is some idiot or is some loser or is a slave just because he might want to chat. Yes, there are slaves and delusional members, but some viewers are chatting in many cases just because they like chatting. Would I pay just to chat? Usually no. But that doesn't mean others don't enjoy doing so.

By the way, that guy you think is just chatting might just like to talk for awhile and then have a show. And unless you see the text, how do you know they aren't chatting about sex and she is watching him on cam? People are turned on by different things and don't always need a show.

"I highly doubt that there is some grand conspiracy by a bunch of rich viewers that like to go to IA and chat just to piss other viewers off"

Where in my post did I mention grand conspiracy? Stop twisting my words and and try to give an honest reply to my post which I represent as a theory based on real life asswipes I've encountered.

I understood your post. I chose the language that I used because I felt your theory had little, if any, merit.

I can understand that you have run into real life a-holes that just like causing others problems. But how often are they paying $2.00/min to accomplish their objectives? Only a wealthy person or a complete idiot, or both, could get away with wasting his money like that, be it in real life or on CC.

I stand by my post. You are letting your frustrations with chatters get the best of you in my opinion. I think it would be too expensive for a guy on CC to do what you are suggesting although I am open to the possibility that a few guys here don't care about money and are doing as you suggest. I just feel that 99.9% of the chatters have other motivations and that your real life experiences don't apply here. And if I am wrong, that would be a pretty sad commentary on the personality of some viewers here.

I think if some guy wants an exclusive chat with a host that is what 121 is for the IA or NSS. Guys are coming in there expecting her to perform for the category that she picked and open is for all viewers not an exclusive chat. Any host that supports chatting with him and ignores the others are not thinking about others and she's loosing $$$ by catering to just one guy who is trying to impress her for a relationship. Nothing in that category refers to chatting hosts and for her to play the game with the guy she should ask him to come to 121 so she can just focus on him without interruptions. Seems like from the forums this is becoming quite an trend lately. I think I agree with you on that one. Before now I've never seen it in forums.

Maybe the guy thinks he is sparing her from her evil acts and he will save her and she will be so thankful that she will marry him. How fricken naive if that is what they are thinking. Hosts are here doing what they like to make money. Most are not here to meet Mr. Right. They must not read forums if they think otherwise.

Thank you. At least 2 other viewers get it.

You're basing your theory on what you perceive motivates others to disturb your little entertainment. So I don't see how you can expect anyone to prove or disprove your pet theory. It only serves your own sense of paranoia, or victimhood, or whatever it is that fuels your anger and frames your view of CC. And obviously you have companions here.

On this site, I don't interact with other members except here in the forums, and so I could care less about you or anyone else when I visit a host. I'm here for my own entertainment, whatever form that takes, as you are also, I suppose.

Get the picture?

"People are complex and some want more of the girl then just her body!"

On this point, I agree

"On this site, I don't interact with other members except here in the forums, and so I could care less about you or anyone else when I visit a host. I'm here for my own entertainment, whatever form that takes, as you are also, I suppose."

On this point I agree

or maybe he doesn't care what category he ended up to be, and just likes the girl :)

Then he should take his favorite girl 121. Problem solved.

Or he prefers to pay an open rate, and the host is fine with it and is wiling to chat. Problem solved.

or that! :P

maybe he is not used with the site's options :)) or preffers to spend more time than pvt time

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i know there will be different points of view on this subject. but here is mine.

i am thinking of one particular chathost. she has been on here about 4 years i think. she showed me one time her very first pics. no heavy makeup, her real hair color with it growing normally. now if you look at her it is as if she has aged 10-15 years. makeup is very heavy, says she will NEVER go back to her normal hair color, and always adding extensions, ironing hair etc. has said she will get breast implants when she has the money.

to me, unfortunately, i would say she has lost confidence in her natural looks over several years. my opinion could be totally off also, as she is doing all of this to attract and keep more customers. in that case she is being very intelligent.

but generally speaking when i look at chathosts that have 3 or 4 years of pics to me it looks like they have aged 10 or 15 years, for the same reasons i have pointed out about the one host. on the other hand, i can think of at least one host who still looks great as she did in her first pics years ago. she has not fallen into the trap of heavy eye makeup or going crazy trying to make her hair be something it is not.

so go ahead and disagree with me, that is just how i see it.

Ahhh c'mon, give us the screennames so we can see too! Pleaseeeee. I'm all in suspense!

..and I'm all in suspenders!

you can also see another story here...while the very successful hosts live the good life and take care of themselves, there are plenty just getting by, and due to where they live and their lifestyle, you can see how they age. all the smoking, bad diet, late nights, and lack of regular exercise takes its toll. the host looks incredible at 23, at 33 - not so much. now, of course I will see a gang of 30+ hosts swarm in and pound me about how they still look 22, but whatever. and why they are 35 and still hosting after 8 years is another story...

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this is a job...not a career

What exactly are you replying to? Who said anything about this being a career for hosts? Did I miss something?

im same weight though that didnt change just my hair color and size:)

LOL Hope they don't let you down!

I would tend to agree. The hosts seem to lose their natural good looks in favor of heavy makeup and other enhancements that were not necessary when they first started. Plus their shows become routine and practiced....not the semi-spontaneous and un-practiced routines they had when they first started.

I also note the post that many of the girls smoke, drink and keep lousy hours being a host and that certainly takes it toll. I often read criticism of the hosts here from members but you must realize for many of them their life is school, work at CC and then whatever sleep, dating, and family and friend time they can find. Most of us would not tolerate that kind of schedule while essentially working on commission. I give the girls here a lot of credit. Not just my credit card.

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too much free time dude

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One year ago I was skinny ... thats my story lol

oh yes u have right i change too :)

you forgot to add sense to that question, what do you mean?

I can't be bothered to check up on the official answer but i would say hell yes, otherwise what is the point of them being in that category?

She must get 100% naked and not stall. This applies to soft core hosts too. Once they give the viewer the option of hi-lo, they have waived their right to refuse to get naked. If any problems, and I am guessing that maybe you had some, contact CC. For me, I've had enough problems that I just avoid the category, but with the right host, it can be fun.

And by the way, if you give her your cam, there is no requirement that you must take off your clothes too if you lose, but this can make the game more fun.... again, with the right host.

You claim to know the rules, yet you say you have so much trouble you avoid Strip Hi Lo? That sounds contradictory.

Why is that contradictory? Knowing the rules doesn't give me the ability to force a host to follow them. And I personally avoid hi-lo because there is too much stalling, which is not permitted. But I can't make the host stop stalling.

You can report them to cc and get your account credited

Obviously, but in the case of hi-lo, it isn't worth it. I don't find the game all that enjoyable anyway, and haven't played it for a few years. I have enough issues with things like not so shy hosts saying go 121 and writing CC about that. One needs to pick his battles, lol.

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How can you know whether or not a person is worth loving without first judging them so?

you dont "have to judge" , its possible to accept a person as they are .
live and let live a little ;).

but at some point there is Judgment aka Awareness or Discernment as to the person's character.

However, the context of the original post it is clear that it is more about judging as condemnation rather than discernment.

So I agree both with "me" and with "Joe" -- so long as the terms are clearly distinguished.

"Activity of a mild sexual nature which MAY include full nudity and touching of breasts, but no legs up or apart while nude; no close-up of genital areas (even with underwear on); no actual or implied touching of genital areas (even with underwear on); no display or use of phallic objects; no animals may be visible in video at any time."

That comes from the Mobile phone rules. A host in little shy can do as much as a host in IA does if she chooses. It is up to the host..

I already said in my post that she can do as much or as little as she wants.

and when a member comes in using a mobile the screen will say by the viewer's name then if there are restrictions with that particular session.

That comes from the rules of cc for glamour and little shy...when logging picking categories....

here is the whole rules for soft core...

Adult Softcore
Activity of a mild sexual nature which may include full nudity and touching of breasts, but no legs up or apart while nude; no close-up of genital areas (even with clothes on); no actual or implied touching of genital areas (even with clothes on); no display or use of phallic objects; no animals visible in video at any time. More info...
Glamour Girls
By signing into this category the Chathost commits to:

* Mild sexual activity and sexy chat. Full nudity is allowed, and more (if you want to) as long as you do not have a restricted session message.
* Just like any other category, if a Chathost makes a commitment to do a certain thing, they must honour that commitment within a reasonable time.
* If a viewer wants to see something more than you have committed to, then they should ask. It's up to you to decide how far you want to go.

Girls Home Alone - A little shy
By signing into this category the Chathost commits to:

* Mild sexual activity and flirting. Topless is okay, sexy lingerie is good. A sexy dance perhaps. You can do what you feel comfortable doing. You may like the Viewer and want to show more, or maybe you are feeling a little shy today.
* Just like any other category, if a Chathost makes a commitment to do a certain thing, they must honour that commitment within a reasonable time.
* If a viewer wants to see something more than you have committed to, then they should ask. It's up to you to decide how far you want to go.

S - Adult Softcore

Activity of a mild sexual nature which may include full nudity and touching of breasts, but no legs up or apart while nude; no close-up of genital areas (even with underwear on); no actual or implied touching of genital areas (even with underwear on); no display or use of phallic objects; no animals may be visible in video at any time.

You may receive restricted Video Sessions with the following Adult Ratings:

SNL - Adult Softcore - NON Sexual Lingerie
SNT - Adult Softcore - NON Sexual Topless
SN - Adult Softcore - No Nudity
ST - Adult Softcore - Topless
SF - Adult Softcore - Full Nudity
SL - Adult Softcore - Lesbian Softcore

ST - Adult Softcore - Full Nudity

Ok I checked again and you are correct. But in the following quote you are partially correct " The host is not obligated to show anything in an open session...."

The host is not required to do a show in 121 either.

When I log on and start a session that is what it says (as she quoted) for the description of the category....period. Not sure where some get that is for mobile phone viewing since that is supposed to be a restricted session.
She wrote it exactly as it specifies for hosts in that category!!

The message is clear that don't go into a hosts room in softcore and expect nudity, toys, anal, dp and whatever else they do in hardcore. Go to hardcore or instant action if that is what you want to expect to serve your tastes. Many softcore viewers appreciate shy hosts that like to tease, flirt. be seductive, play and possible nudity. They like the gentler shy girl that they can interactively seduce to some extent.
There is a category for all tastes!

that is so wrong to say...a person can say the same about hardcore too...there are many hardcore hosts that stall...and dont so as they say they will....

You can not tell people to not go to softcore expecting such things without saying that the same can happen in hardcore too...

there are softcore hosts that do toys, dp and all the stuff u just said not to expect...it all depends on the host...

especially considering the posts that have been posted about hard core and softcore ....

there are hosts that are in both hard core and soft core ....and there are hosts that do everything in softcore too....

From Adult Ratings;

For NON-RESTRICTED Video Sessions: The Adult Ratings do not define the maximum activity allowed but are ONLY GUIDELINES that are useful for selecting the right CamContacts category for you to join.

The poster did not say that you must do these things, she said that it is up to the host how much she does or does not do. I got the same set of rules/guidelines when I selected the little shy category. and she is right there is a notice that comes up when a mobile user enters the video showing if there are restrictions and what the restrictions are.

You need to get your facts straight and shy should you know more than what it tells hosts only when we sign on?? Hhhmmm very interesting! At any rate she is correct!

I also a shy host...I don't do nude but....

Give it up my dear...I too saw that you said it's up to the host how far she goes......I have also seen all the posts regarding the confusion with the categories and I know you were only trying to be helpful.....but as you see you are only going to get stomped on....instead of taking from what cc shows us when we pick our category, maybe you should have just put the whole post in your own words.

Sorry to see you were stomped by those who do not see what we see when we choose our category ...

Good luck to you..

Sometimes she is shy, but sometimes she's not! There are no adult restrictions in this category. You can expect something more than just chatting - a strip show, some soft core action, or more depending on how shy the Chathost is feeling! But, remember, these girls are a little shy, so be prepared for some extra sweet talk to warm them up. Please be respectful of the Chathost's preferences and double check her profile prior to entering video chat.

Key words:"There are no adult restrictions in this category. You can expect something more than just chatting - a strip show, some soft core action, or more "

"NO restrictions and you can expect more than just chat"

Yes I agree it is poorly written, but it is there for viewers to read. So if little shy is confusing, blame cc not viewers.

Glamour/Little Shy - hosts can do what they want unless they promise something

Not so shy - hosts must start stripping within a few minutes if requested to do so by a viewer

Instant Action - hosts must strip right away if requested to do so by a viewer

What's so confusing? It only can get confusing when the session is a restricted session but the limits are right on the host's screen when the member enters video. The only other limits are the limits which always apply such as no going to the bathroom and some other pretty sick stuff. Other than that, unless the session is restricted, any adult host can strip, use toys, et cetera.

Hosts, IF they pay attention when they sign up for their given category and read the rules carefully, know all this. The only times things become confusing is when they don't read carefully, if a studio boss does their profile for them and misinforms them of the rules, or if their English isn't good enough to understand. But most hosts here have pretty good English language skills. And of course some hosts know the rules and just choose to ignore them.

The rules are pretty basic. They might not be presented in the best way , and it would be nice if members could more easily see all the rules, but if people pay attention, it isn't very confusing.

And 121 doesn't affect any of this. It can be used as a condition to do certain things in glamour/little shy, but beyond that, it means nothing. Not so shy and IA hosts must get naked in open and 121.

Again, pretty simple.

I think that if any viewer goes to a softcore hosts room and expects nudity or toys, etc will be disappointed unless she agrees in chat or writes it in her profile. That is the reason they gave hosts a choice of
softcore or hardcore. Adult obviously does not mean hardcore action.
Yes I think CC has made it more confusing where before it was pretty clear.

Plenty of little shy hosts will strip although some will say go 121, and a good number of glamour hosts will do the same, again with the 121 thing usually. Just look at the number in soft core hi-lo, for example. And a lot use toys too.

Categories are chosen by hosts, not just based on the rules, but based on position on the list of hosts page and the price allowed. There are plenty of little shy hosts that will give instant action type shows in open, including toys, but would starve if they tried charging $1,70, for example. And many hosts go to glamour not because they won't strip but because they think that category gets more attention since it is at the top.

It isn't just about having control over the type of show. The ones that focus on having control and the ability to say no to stripping are very often long time hosts that used to strip quite a bit but now have decided to focus on chatting a lot more as well as those that truly are shy and really don't want to strip. Other than that, there are a lot of hosts picking soft core due to pricing and to get noticed.

The issue isn't finding hosts in soft core that strip. The issue is taking the time to ask them if they do and to find out if they will say go 121. Also, a lot of little shy hosts have not so shy rooms open at the same time so they definitely will strip (although a lot of times these are the same ones pulling the 121 garbage in not so shy).

Most hosts on CC strip. They didn't all start their host careers here, and they often come from sites that they strip all the time on, and some of them still work on those other sites, including soft core hosts. The difference is that CC has taught them that they can often make money when not stripping so it becomes more of a challenge to get a show, particularly with soft core hosts, but you can still get one.

Bad CC!!! Shame on you!!! Helping hosts not to strip. Bad CC!!!

Some of what you say is right but I don't believe the majority of your comments are a typical softcore host. I am softcore and I never intended to strip for day one when I came here. There have been exceptions but only after feeling very comfortable with them. That is what a shy host is....SHY. The ones that get lost and want more than one room open at the same time can be from hardcore but obviously when they do that it confuses the viewer for both rooms. Example would be when she says she only strips in 121 in Not so Shy. Or the host that chats in open in IA. Seems that host start making up their own rules when they cross over categories. I think that gets very confusing for the members when hosts start that.
I also think CC started encouraging hosts to have more than one room open on the site so that they would stay within the site rather than have another room from a different site at the same time as their CC room. I think their intentions were for the good of all it has just kinda ended up a mess when hosts start making their own rules to make more money.

"Seems that host start making up their own rules when they cross over categories."

I agree 100%. You are spot on.

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I didn't say if you were in a show, what I said was if you were in open video talking with a member. Just talking.

As she is a IA host, she is obviously in a show from the beginning of the chat, don't you think so?

Yes most times that is the case, but have come across a few of late that had members only talking, with no show.

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I meant payed open video

Being in video is being in a show, be it chatting or something else. Maybe to you chatting in video is not a show to that particular viewer.

It is what the viewer asked for, if during the chat it goes to something further, that is up to the first viewer in and myself.

The viewer first in video is the one that gets the attention, and I let others know I am already with someone and they can decide if they will stay, wait or come back....

Open session is just that where it is your responsibility to entertain a group in IA or Not So Shy. If the first one wanted exclusivity then he should have taken you to 121. Instant Action refers to stripping etc instantly regardless of who is in the room. All viewers are entitled to that who go into open session same with hardcore if it is in open.
121 is for the viewer to choose without interruption....

If I already know him, I tell him to come back later (even he obviously knows that I'm chatting with someone ELSE), but oh well, let me be politely as long as I already know him.

If I don't know him I simply ignore him, maybe he likes to be a Voyeur or else why would he would be jumping into other guy's "action"?

Not so shy and Instant Action hosts must strip if ANY viewer in open session requests them to do so. There is no first come, first served rule. Just check with CC. The host can offer a password or switch categories, and the member can go 121, if they want to avoid problems.

I would even go so far as to say that it is rude for the host to ask the member to come back. You have spent money, although perhaps not all that much, just to be told "sorry, i'm too busy to follow the rules now". This is not allowed. And it would even be more rude to simply keep ignoring you.

Now, I personally would try to avoid this type of situation by not entering open unless I was the first member to do so. And if I liked the host and decided to just jump into open and hope for the best, I would probably just go without saying anything to CC. But there is nothing wrong with a member jumping into IA and asking for the host to strip regardless of whether she and another member want to chat. She must strip, and in fact, she must masturbate too. That is what she agreed to. If she doesn't like that, then she can switch categories. The not so shy host also agreed to these things but she can chat for a few minutes first.

Of course, she can give priority in terms of the kind of show she gives. If one guy says show ass and the other says show breasts, she can choose although continually ignoring someone might be considered rude and therefore against the rules. But the sorry I'm chatting thing only works if ALL the members in open agree to it when in Not So Shy and IA.

This is all theoretical of course. In practice, you will probably get a horrible show from many hosts if you basically force them to perform. It probably is better to come back.

Makes perfect sense to me ....now who is going to enforce it?

Emails to CC help, but most guys probably don't bother. I personally will ask for credits when problems, but not everyone does. From there, it is up to CC to handle it as they see fit. Once I get my credit, I avoid the host and move in. It is in CC's hands at that point. I have posted in the member forum at times too depending on the situation, but not usually.

It seems the IA and not shy hosts that responded to this thread disagree.

As I said, I try to avoid the situation being discussed here. But I have also received credits for when it arises. The hosts can disagree all they want.

..and my fav yank who lives in an automobile...john van Gogh

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I was serious. Thanks for your smart ass reply, though. The tilde usage is annoying, and prevents good communication and creates misunderstanding in that sometimes you think you are replying to one person when you may be replying to someone else. I use RomanHoliday when I post. Though you may not "know" me, you have a sense of who I am when I post something or when you reply to me. But who is ~____?

btw thank you for using SundaySmile. When I see posts with that name, I will know it is most likely the same person making those posts. (unless of course, people are unscrupulous enough to use someone else's name -- I suppose that happens)

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Amen sister!

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I am sorry that such a trivial thing is getting you so annoyed. Have you considered stress management? It obviously works well here and we all including you are aware of it's purpose.
You would go totally ape if you were in New England and when they go to order a "hamburger" they refer to it as "hamburg" Or how the word idea is mispronounced often and called and pronounced "idear".
Sorry Roman but I think to change the use of it hear would be very self centered since you are the only one that it annoys and yet it is effective. Also never go to New England, USA you will go crazy :))

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bulid a bridge and get over it ;)

ROFLMAO

I was expecting that LOL

It\'s silly to give out information likes this on the internet. Now we know what annoys you and we will use it against you until we have drive you away from these forums - be sure of that. That\'s the rule of modern communications.<br />
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~TGJ

Who made you in charge of how we / others speak?

If "~" anoys you it is your problem and no one elzes, why do you expect everyone else to change to illeviate your annoyance??

Maybe you need some professional counsilingz. ~~~~~

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it is not mistreatment it is expansion, stretching to new limits. going where no verb has gone before......

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then replace 'expansion' with 'diversity' if you must.

Solution: why don't we all just start posting in the "From:" line "~ " to the previous poster, Then none of us will have any idea who is posting. (good post btw, I happen to agree with you, although it is useless to request such a thing and even more unrealistic to expect it to change)

" although it is useless to request such a thing and even more unrealistic to expect it to change)"

For once we agree.

So was it a crime that he express his annoyance with it and make his request?

And btw, I doubt you agree with all I say, only what you have picked and chosen. You'd make a great politician

I finally agree and you have to argue! You just love to argue.

Well let's just put it this way: I'm wary of your "agreement." You tend to pull things out of context or twist them around to support your positions.

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we could replace it by ==> (too long) or @ (well, at is too static), so why not ¬ ? it looks like a poke sign in FB ;-)

I feel I have to confess that is it my use of the tilde that kicked off the rather poor imitations of it use. However I defend my use of it as a clarification of posts going back a long long time into the dim distant past of Usenet.

I think though it is fair to say that when I use the tilde to define a reply to a single person (as oppose to a group) in the subject, it is clear enough that is what I am doing because I don't try and confuse it with my member name when I do it. I suppose the "~" member thinks he/she/it is being clever. Personally I think it demonstrates completely the opposite.. Just another AC in a long line of AC's

I cannot of course speak for other posters but I find it slightly ignominious to see, what is supposed to be a simplification of thought, being used so fatuously. Tis a pity to be sure.



TNTHJBMTM

Speaking of things fatuous, what exactly is "TNTHJBMTM" supposed to mean?

Thanks for keeping it real, mate.

Since RH has grown silent (LOL) and I am championing the cause for him, let me say, your explanation is a good one. Thanks for showing another perspective to the issue. It makes sense.

However... (you knew that was coming, didn't you?) ... wouldn't it still be less confusing (as to who is replying) to post something like TNT ~ previous poster, or (as RH obviously would prefer) TNT to previous poster ?

My agreement with him is that no one knows who is posting what.

I, for one, would have appreciated knowing that TNT was one of the posters of many of the comments. Whether it was your particular posts with which I often took issue, I may never know.

Anyway, I'm tired of the issue. RH, you can have it back.

Huh?

Well it might surprise you to know that I try to take time and effort to make my posting clear in that you will always see when I am posting because my posting name will always be a different colour from the subject.

That being said though, I think where the confusion stems from is because of 2 phenomena.

1) I post increasingly rarer these days than has been known in the past and hence I no longer provide any example ( good or bad) for anyone to follow.

2) People are inherently lazy in their writing. For me I find it logical to change a subject heading when I want to redirect a conversation to a particular point or just start a new thread. Most people will just click reply and be done.

It is not a recent phenomenon of course. Back in the day we had RFC 1855 - Netiquette Guidelines.

Perhaps it is confusing, I cannot really say. I know I prefer to see a members name nice, clear and easily identifiable as I rarely find time to search through posts to find any worthy gems .So instead I just look for familiar names of people who have shown to have wit, intelligence or original thought.

Can't say I have found too many of those lately but oh well.. sign of the times I guess...

TNTRTGODWETEL

From the Wikipedia entry for Netiquette:

"When someone makes a mistake – whether it's a spelling error or a spelling flame, a stupid question or an unnecessarily long answer – be kind about it. If it's a minor error, you may not need to say anything. Even if you feel strongly about it, think twice before reacting. Having good manners yourself doesn't give you license to correct everyone else. If you do decide to inform someone of a mistake, point it out politely, and preferably by private email rather than in public. Give people the benefit of the doubt; assume they just don't know any better. And never be arrogant or self-righteous about it. Just as it's a law of nature that spelling flames always contain spelling errors, notes pointing out Netiquette violations are often examples of poor Netiquette."

So does your constant whinging about how so many others here have no respect for netiquette in fact make you a violator of netiquette too? And if so, are you at all afraid that someone might very well call you out for being such a hypocrite?

Good post!

Looking for smart or intelligent posts on a porn site forum? You've got to be kidding! LMAO!

Yeh, we're all stupid idiots who can't hope to have an IQ above 60. But hey, we can spend money. (Said sarcastically for OMG's benefit)

Who in their right mind would expect intelligence in a place like this?
As Spock said: "Beam me up Scotty. There is no intelligent life down here."

Why not expect intelligence? Only unintelligent people can visit a porn site? or are you saying that when we enter the porn site, our reasoning capacity, our common sense, our wisdom, and smarts, are all checked at the door?

I've read some exceptionally brilliant, well-written posts in here (by me mostly hahaha) no, but seriously, you don't have to be an ignoramus to come to a site like this. If that's your opinion, then I feel sorry for you.

Possibly they were referring to the bigger brain that tends to take the back seat when the smaller brain is being entertained....lol.

I agree with you that there are some very intelligent people that come to this porn site. When they post they must be using the larger brain :))

You mean the little head guides you in to this site and its wonder and the bigger head is "sometimes" used by "some" when posting :-P

The phrase is actually "Beam me up Mr Speaker" used by former US Congressman from Ohio James Califant., which he used to say in the well of the House of Representatives years ago before he went to jail.

I think OMG meant it in a funny manner.

Actually OMG and ~OMG are both wrong.

OMG -- it was not Spock, but Captain Kirk, and "Beam me up, Scotty" is a misquote... that particular phrase never said. And "There's no intelligent life down here," was a marketing ploy by a clever T-shirt-maker.

~OMG -- it is James Traficant, not Califant. You can hear his usage in You Tube search "My favorite Democrat James Traficant - Farm Animals" But even so, it was based on the Star Trek misquote, which, btw, is the title of James "Scotty" Doonan's memoirs.

Me thinks you spend too much time Googling things in the internet :-P

methinks it only took 5 minutes of googling.

me_also_thinks, you shouldn't be so quick to judge

5 minutes less off ur human life you will never recup plus another min. reading this post :+)

About 2 seconds, actually, to read your post, but hey, I decided to linger on it awhile so that I took the full minute :)

you are right, I never will gain back the 5 minutes I took to google that bit of trivia, but hey, it was 5 minutes of trivializing worth spent. Better than 5 minutes lost from smoking, or some other bad habit ;)

We all know what we are referring to here and you obviously figured it out too so think you should just go with the flow....Just call it a CC thing!

I don't think all should stop because you think it is improper...that is a bit much to ask....lol

I can't believe the childish, even hostile responses in this thread!

I wasn't being a "speach dictator" or requiring people to do anything, let alone trying to "force" my way on anyone.

I was simply making a request, a simple request, a request which, as far as I can see, is reasonable. Yes, of course people will continue doing it. But maybe some will stop and try for better communication.

If it is not allowed to make such requests, and hope for the best, then forgive me for breaking some unwritten law here at CC.

I'm enough of an optimist to actually believe some people will want to better themselves. But maybe I'm wrong there too. Obviously I was wrong for the majority of people who responsed to this thread.

Love your reply!

It is very typical here. A person can see all the way through the forums where a simple question is asked and is met with many hostile responses. Often the topic is thrown completely off track.

This forum is suppose to be for everyone to post thoughts, questions, suggestions or anything at all thinking that helpful, useful responses will be given, and even maybe with some humor. Unfortunately that is not always the case. As often a person has to go through hostile responses before the real responses regarding the topic are seen.

It is such a shame as this could be a very fun, informative, interesting place.

Alright now that I have said my five cents worth, I am sure I will get met with some heavy sticks. :)

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Amusing. But got me thinking, do men really have one mood all the time?

if you consider shades as 1 mood,shitty,shittier & shittiest :--)

Here toilet paper pass to Tisme now, Because u kept saying "shit" So i thought u need one by right now? :P

i stand corrected.2 moods with 3 shades of each.the above & horny,hornier & horniest.the shitty shades usually happen if these shades aren't satisfied! :--)

haha too true )))

And yet women live longer.
Of course most Darwin award winners are men.

funny

You wrote: "Men can do their Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on Christmas Eve in 25 minutes"

Actually, it takes me 35 minutes. But that's only because the wife does most of the shopping. I just have to buy for her. She's already bought my parents, my kids, my aunts and uncles, my secretary, my friends. In fact, I don't think I've had the slightest idea what gifts we have given to all of them, and when they say, "Why thank you for such a thoughtful gift" I just look at them and smile, and say "you're welcome."

Ahhhh, to be a man!

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are we talking about romance or the kind of love you need to clean up with a mop and bucket?

I always thought of it as being hit by a wave....first there are few smaller waves and then...you see the big one is coming and it washes over you and you are totally soaked and in love.

more like a ford fiesta

oh thats a good song do you like it?

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

While it may remove some of the mystique if one intends to fantasize the encounter as being "conquest' , it's a rather thoughtful gesture in my opinion.

I can understand that, and agree...but at the same time once u agree to do one thing they have asked and then the person changes their mind and their request...then starts telling you to do things other than agreed upon and you say well I am sorry I dont do that...bingo they get mad, disappointed and say "well why did you not tell me that before"...which I would have if he had told me what kind of show he wanted when he was asked. rather than "well we will start with you showing me your bush and go from there"...loool...it is not like I am in a hardcore category...

I have same problem......it very difficult when that happen...........I say ok to one thing they change mind and want different in show..........then I stuck with angry veiwer.

I think its a case of once they get you going, then they ask for what they really wanted in the first place hoping your now suddenly horny and in the mood to play.. and that you will loose your principles and say yessss BB Ill "insert what ever pervy request here" myself for you now that you asked so nicely...

You are right you can do that! And for the Alpha it also works good! But you must ask the camgirl slow and the camgirl must do all you ask or you leave again and can report her because you are the viewer! I am right?

Yes Alpha the host is obligated to do what you agreed to before the session started.

"But you must ask the camgirl slow"

If you mean while in the session she is moving too fast then you can ask her to slow down. or If you mean to talk to the host slow, then yes, with the language barriers it is good idea to speak slowly so that you understand what is being said.

Enjoy your time with the host of your choice....:)

I have never had a shy host ask me what I was into. I usually get the 20 question routine, name, location, marital status, my job, my cam, my bank balance, my credit card limit etc.

Really? wow...I mean i usually ask how are you, location, not the other stuff unless I am asked that, but yes I always ask what a person is into and what they are wanting in a session. How else is one to know what to do in a session and what a viewer is wanting. Viewers have different requests, so one needs to know what to do and not just guess and hope to get it right....

Have a nice Sunday...

" Viewers have different requests, so one needs to know what to do and not just guess and hope to get it right.... "

When I ask a shy host for show in pvt, a few do one, but most tell me to go to IA for show.

Well the answer will depend on what is it you are asking them to do in a show. That is why it is important to know and ask what the viewer is asking the host to do in a show. I would think that asking a viewer what he is into and what he wants her to do in a show would be one of the main questions asked...

Well the answer will depend on what is it you are asking them to do in a show" I agree, but in little shy I only ask for naked show and many times am told to go to IA or hell a few times. And it even happened a time or 2 with hosts that play Strip Hi Lo.

Well if all you are asking for is nude show, then that seems rather harmless. if the host you ask does not do nude then simply letting you know is all that is needed...and as for asking for it in strip hi lo, if the host does not want to be nude then she should not be playing that game.

Girls in softcore do not generally do a "show" but rather just flirt and tease with the member individually. That is what softcore viewers enjoy because it is more like they are seducing the host rather than her just doing a pre-designed show with little interaction as in hardcore.

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After a few mintues of converstaion I think a good host is smart to ask the member what he is looking for in video. That gives the member the opportunity to specifically say what he wants in detail...and the host can say yes or come back with a counter offer.

Remember...repeat what you want and make sure the host says Yes I will do that...not...come and well' find out, or maybe, or depends on you, or depends on my mood, or depends if you turn me on.... get a yes or no. No...either renegotiate until a yes or leave. Avoid the scam.

Thank you "So" I could not have said it better, that is exactly the reason that I ask, some members get annoyed when I ask and come back with, "well surprise me" or "do what you do best" or "guess" or "you know what I want" or :well what do you like (as if there is one or two standard things that I like..) and many like that which really do not help me to be able to say yes or no thank you.

If the member is not going to tell us what he wants then how can he expect us to know, heck if I was able to read minds, not only would that be a miracle but I really do not think I would be here...loool

Be well everyone :)

The only thing that ruins that is the fact we are men. And we think we are clever and charming and sexy. Most of us are not. Once we have a girl agree to something...it is in out nature to try and persuade her to give more....I am sure you have heard...Oh Baby...please show me more or I won't be able to cum...or...Show me I will come to your video every day for the rest of my life.....or the mean spiritied...come on baby or I will give you 1 star and trash you in the forums.... So...what did we learn...men are pigs...and despite that...it is always good for the member and host to understand what is expected in the show...and stick to it...we hold the host to it...she should be able to hold the member to the agreement too....

Actually, no I have not heard any of those statements....knock on wood...but I have heard that we are no more than "online prostitutes" and yes I have heard those exact two words a number of times..I don't think there are many hosts have not been trashed in the forums, even a compliment there is usually someone fast to turn it into an insult, even if they have not seen you...lol...I know very well about the mean men, which is why I its important to know what is wanted before agreeing to a video...as for holding the member to what was agreed upon...I agree but that is easier said then done, and often if they do not get what they want, they get angry and rate you low anyway, and some will post negative about you in forum.

I do not think men are pigs, some simply let their hormones take over and then instead of seeing us as a person we become objects. but then to be fair, some on here see members as money signs and not as people..I hope the day never comes that I stop seeing people as people no matter how they are... :)

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very true indeed...good quote...

have a wonderful weekend... :)

Violence starts from where the Intelligence ends.

Which is why violence is so often the answer.

Good evening Mr. Rockefuller,
pls allow me to remind u that only the coins have 2 faces, while people and diamonds have more.
Violence is most likely an effect of something and not a cause of it. Sometimes it's an effect of low glicemy or of a mental disease, simple as that.
Violence has minimum 3 major genres: the attack, the revenge and the self-defence. Not all of them are to be blamed.
Violence is also the ultimate reaction in front of extinction. Of LIFE.
U seem to be a bit bored this evening Sir, but pls be carefull because such minimal philosophy can be considered as superiour, arrogant or even violent by other human beens.

While I think the response is rather heavy in dissecting the premise, it is indeed well stated. ........................

violence is entertainment too. horror movies, boxing, rugby, etc.

Hey...i live in Madrid but it wouldnt let me type the site for rentals here , so write me. Hope i can help

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Who are you striking back at, the host that said thank you for the tip, or the one that stated a fact that there are men who intentionally will read a profile and try to force the host to change her mind?

x wife of course.hosts are more like angels than yapping dogs.

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Thank you for the tip "So"...... I will give that a try......

Have a nice weekend.. :)

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might have been meant as helpful advice but comes across as an instruction, I'd suggest you don't apply for that job in the diplomatic service just yet.

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that's because many girls just do it!and they are getting frustrated if someone doesn't do it!no matter what u will write in yr profile or the category u are in!i think it's a new "fetish".they might get turned on because they rate u bad:)))

this happen bcs many Mistress accept to be also slaves, and do everything for some extra money, is not only the members mistake, everything start from the girls who choose the wrong category and if few do everything the members will think all of as are the same :-(, sad but happen

I think most profiles are pretty generic and don't give you much insight into the host or her show...so members generally don't read them. I have no doubt you took time to write specifically what you do or don't in your profile but again...members are used to ignoring them. I wish CC added an Icon.....a no-nudity icon...that is easy to see that says...host does not provide nudity in her shows. Easy.

reading Profiles will schock u discovering how some of us are working on them, giving u a sample of how we talk or how we are, trying to help u to avoid spending money in vane and funny but after all these good intentions all we get from some guys are ... bad ratings :))))))

I read proflies, but I do not believe them until I meet the host. Some profiles are written by the studio, and the host doesn't know what it says! One new girl had "double penatration" on profile in little shy, and then said she did not strip at all!

Some members do read the profiles, and then intentionally try to convince, pressure and force a host to do the things that she has said no to...

We are screwed no matter what we do ....lol...

The terms softcore and hardcore and the alignment of the categories is confusing. CC informed me the only nude required categories are Strip Hi Lo, Not So Shy and Instant Action. Period! That's it! In my opinion ,they should list Glamour and Little Shy in softcore and Not So Shy and Instant Action in hardcore. And list all other categories separately.

And here I always thought
that hardcore was far more than baring one's all.
that softcore was oft for not doing it all
A matter of degrees, from sex act to tease
at least, that's how I was taught.

Taught? They had to teach you the difference between Softcore and Hardcore? Geez! and I though I was a loser for not noticing the difference between glamour and Not so Shy!

OMG! don't be such a literalist!

Be careful and have a good time-love you and will missed you

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Not sure I'll still visit your room after such a post...
And about its contents, knowing the job you perform, I didn't expect you to mention milking the cow free of charge. Don't you think chathosts are doing it at a given price per minute? Nice week-end Sarah ;-)!

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But what if the pig has a fine mansion , a Rolls Royce , a full domestic staff, a second home at the water and loves to buy expensive jewelry for his girl? Is he still a "pig"?

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Oh yes it is