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very funny

Well first off both men and women have "the right" (legal right) to get married at the age of 18, (in most countries). That is the only actual right you can reffer to, the other aspects of it being strictly individual (personal choice), social and educational.
But yes, I agree that both men and women should think of marriage only when they are independent - which basically means financially stable.
A simple example would be an unemployed woman (i am talking no career whatsoever, and no plans for one) getting married to a financially stable guy who is willing to support her. They have a kid, she's a stay at home mom, and everything is fine till he meets someone else, and asks for a divorce. The fictional woman here, is basically doomed. No refferences to the kid, because in this story daddy will pay child support on a regular basis. But there are much worse scenarios:)

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A man and a women "should" get married if they love each other. End of story. Maybe being responsible and not having children until you're sure you provide for them would be the only "prerequisite".

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How sad is that? Love isnt enough to get married?

In an ideal world two people in love should want to commit to something greater like a marriage, a family and a future together. However in practice this is not always possible, and if there is one thing I have learned, it is that love, in and of itself, is not enough sometimes.

Still we all have to have dreams and aspirations, else why would we be motivated to do anything at all? That you can love someone unreservedly is part of it, that you can support them in their choices, emotionally or fiscally, is another.

Money is nice, but money without love is pretty hollow and not worth anything when you are laying alone in the dark loveless and forgotten.

Given the choice I know which I would prefer.

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Avr0ra I don't want to have to wait that long till I can marry you :(

I'll be about 90 before I can support myself never mind you and the kids.

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I wish i knew who you are. this message was beautiful and heart felt. sometimes a language barrier can reduce a message like this to perfect, direct simplicity. your husband and you are lucky to be together, and i wish you the best.

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OK. i will watch all hosts in shy category until i find you.

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So those those are the only preconditions to marriage huh? Money? Forget about love, trust and happiness, it's all about money. Hey how about if the women is good breeding stock? Strong child bearing thighs and big pelvis. Sounds like whoever told you that came from one of those countries that likes to have pre-arranged marriages from the parents.
"Sasha, your mother and I think Saheed will be a good husband for you, he has many goats and his parents say despite his caveman-like qualities he is a good earner, now marry him".

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i would think what goes on in private stays in private even after breakup. Let your conscience be your guide on both parts. Thats my limited opinion. good luck.

yes, it's true, all of her friends know that you have a tiny weiner.

I have a lot of 'ex-gfs' still in my messenger and as long as they remain friendly I see no reason to 'spill the beans' . Life is to short for vengence.

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...you need to ask wether you should be a gentleman
then you're not....

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Move on, leave well enough alone. Leave the secrets at the door and walk out it, turn the corner and dont look back.

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I have always contested that a gentleman never tells, but a braggart tells anyone.

CC members and hosts do love their gossip but the trouble with gossip is by definition it is second hand information and subject to interpretation.

Even if they bad mouth you behind your back, a thousand different rumours mean nothing if they are not willing to be addressed publicly and contested.

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Any disagreement would remain as private....That s between the host and me.....nobody else

Forget keeping secrets, people love gosip and lets' give them what they want. What will happen if the "secret" is let out? Someone going to prison...nooooo, someone going to die.....noooo.Spin the wheel and stop worring about others being so thin skinned and fragile.

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I would write about what I know best: the addictive qualities of internet porn sites and the consequences of such addiction.

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GOOD IDEA

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I would write about a little boy learning to be a wizard at Dogfarts school and I would call him Barry Snotter. Then perhaps I could earn nearly £5 a second :D

Just imagine having a four hour long instant action video and still being richer when I finish it than when I started. Yippee

I would do travel writing because I love to travel, meet people, laugh and have fun. I would also do a book about CC because I think it is a fascinating place.

I do write, though I am not ready or willing to be publish yet. Maybe one day though...

TNT

something about NLP or sm poetry:)lol

ok - im into "instructions for life" lol; hope will learn some before my time and manage to publish - hehehehe

And...what about you? What would you write about?

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Harry Potter or the history of magic.... see pulp-turns-into-cash.

LOTS of cash.

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LoL nice one V...oldie but a goodie

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the joke...ur not good ;)

If its with a girl that has good connection speed... very nice! But with a slow connection, very distracting and choppy. Doesnt look good when the girl is on the left of your screen and then jumps to the right and lost clothes in beween.

Nothing sexier then clothes being taken of slowly.... num num num

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Love the dance when they lose the clothes slowly :P

sometimes it's good other times it's bad. watching a host dance without hearing the music is like watching tv with the sound off and sometimes you can hear the music and it's not a style the member likes or sounds like crap, Forget the dancing and stick to stripping and showing the goods

it it's a naked erotic dance and involves a big fat dildo, then yes, i like it.

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u are both cool and hot Seph!!!

If done properly yes. Too many hosts think they can dance erotically and they can't. It is a question of style, skill and timing. Some use the dance to extend the video...it is too long. Some dance around like they are in a disco....nice but not erotic. Some dance around with no grace and no sexuality. Not cool. It can be learned. Just imagine you are dancing sensually to turn on your bf who you have not seen for a few weeks. That should do it. Easy but hard for many hosts.

is WTF back?

Did he ever actually leave ?

who cares? move on, get a life

will you follow your own advice ?

bad example - hehehehehe- i would never dance for anyone in real as i do for guests:) would be embarrassed as hell:); but you are right - it should be more sensual and erotic - as i see it, its not strip that make a dance arousing but cloths teasing - of course, thats my 2 cents :))

You need a different bf.

lol, i need any bf:) heheeh; i was talking about me not bf- im the problem:)

Personally I could let the dance go. A simple strip is fine and is, to me, very sexy. When you add to that the fact that the sound in many of these rooms is not up to par, it just makes sense to me that the girl should just take it off.

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You are all entitled to do what you want. Nobody should force you to do something you dont want to do. I only wish there was an indicator in the profile....strip in 121 only. It would save me time.

Seems like a fair compromise.

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sweety, all men want to see u naked. its good when i enter video and already find the girl naked, its like instant gratification for me. he is a big liar if a man tells you he never wants to see you naked. we all love the beauty of a woman when she's naked. if the man dont like then he better go to boys home alone :-D

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If you "don't get naked" why are you in little shy? Glamour is perfectly fine for that. Besides, people there won't complain about having to go to 121 for a show as much as in little shy.

Anyway, $3.5 per minute in 121 and no naked seems steep. At least i would never visit someone for that price while not getting a full nude show.

Btw, if you think that the guys who interrupt someone else's private are only looking for a chat, you should think again...

"if you think that the guys who interrupt someone else's private are only looking for a chat, you should think again..."

You got that right! No members that enters an open vid expects to see you still dressed, hehehe.

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Funny reply for someone who announced here in the forums that she was moving to not so shy a few months back. But i digress... good luck!

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i thought 121 was just for privacy

members privacy to be correct ;)

I obviously don't like being told that a host will only strip in 121 because sometimes I like to save money and forgo privacy, but as long as the host is honest about it right away and is either in little shy or glamour, I can accept this.

Glamour and Little Shy are not "hardcore" categories so I believe that hosts are allowed to refuse to strip. In fact, I have reported hosts that have played the 121 game or took an unreasonable amount of time to strip if they work in not so shy or instant action, and CC has always dealt with the matter appropriately.

But Glamour and Little Shy are different. I basically look as as Little Shy hosts as maybe being willing to strip and Glamour hosts being unlikely to strip unless 121. But for both categories, unlike not so shy and instant action, they are not required tio strip, and I believe that the rules allow hosts in these two categories to say they will strip only in 121. Of course, once they promise to strip, if they do not.: DearCC......

totaly agreee with you

Even if i do get your point, well, kind of anyway, I think any host who only strips/does shows in one2one should:
1. Write it in her profile, some members actually take the time to read those.
2. Just to make sure the member is aware of the host's "one2one strip policy" she should discuss this aspect with him shortly after he entered vid, not after X mins of chatting (some members might not afford the extra $ for one2one, you never know)
Personally, i only prefer one2one (although i never ask for it) with members who only want to chat, that way i am sure i will avoid explaining a 2nd guy who enters vid why i can't do a show for him, because i am busy discussing the Big Bang theory with guy #1 who was in vid long before guy #2 came. 90% of the guys who ever entered my vid while i was already in a show (in open, obviously) decided to stay, while the others ask me to let them know when i am done with it.

host says "one2one" only, I click "goodbye" fast.

this hosts practice defeats the reason one2one was initiated.

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Unrequited love has been a theme in man's history since the dawn of time. We often covet what we can't have. For many members here the man who falls in love with a host bears no relation to the real man....the man who falls in love is as much a fantasy as the relationship between host and member.

hmmmmmm.......isn't that what is called a fairytale?....I thought all fairytales end happily ever after?

I think you need to dump that funky keyboad. Too hard to read. :P

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I heard she getting married

Hi, try the following links, I am sure you will find something that fits your requirements among them. All are free.

http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.picnik.com/
http://picasa.google.com/index.html
http://www.irfanview.com/
http://www.gimp.org/

Two software programs...... 1) "Adobe Photoshop Elements" is easier than "Photoshop"....... 2) "Adobe Photoshop Album Starter" is a lot easier

if you are really studying fotography you should know that......and also you should understand photoshop

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Photoshop is what they use. Invest your time in it, and you will be good soon. You are wasting time learning anything else.

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that program does so much retouching on models, my friend calls it pornoshop. :)

I came across a very nice program from nikon - nikon capture nx2.

Depends on which OS you work. Aperture on Mac seems to be really good (and expensive).

The proggy I like and still use isnt availuable anymore, but wanted to tell you, I think Photoshop is impossible too. =
(K)

umm yea, he was totally off his rocker I think. What a strange thing to say. Maybe something you'd want to expirament or evolve into after a relationship(sexual) has formed.

Though, maybe to try and explain his actions, there are those that beleive oral sex in not an actual courtship or adultrest action, almost as accepted as shaking hands, and actual intercourse is the only true sexual event. I dunno, not my view, but have heard of it.

My .02, you're not crazy hun, you should of been shocked as you were. ;) (K)

I agree 100% with AYALTM. *very strange situation*

I also agree with ALTM on the fact that it is not a usual reqest so early in a relationship.

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I would be too surprised if in his own mind he thought he was being gallant, after all he probably only wanted a blowjob ;)

You did the right thing and at least you found out sooner rather than later.

You have the wrong name. You shouldn't call yourself "Not an open-minded host" because clearly you ARE open-minded. And I say that as a compliment because you were faced with a situation...you thought about what was right, wrong, what you felt, and what you wanted to see happen...and then you used an open mind to come to the RIGHT decision. So good for you.

Speaking as a fellow guy, I'm sorry for what he said and did, especially since you liked him so much. He really did spoil things and personally (if you ever talk to him again) I think he should be a real gentleman and apologize to you.

You said it best -- you liked him a lot, you met with him, and you wanted to wait for the right time so it would be about two people making love and NOT about instant sex. And if you were trying to hold back a bit...till you felt more comfortable...then he should have been man enough to respect your wishes as a lady. Not as a cam worker or anything like that, but as an actual flesh and blood woman that was right in front of him who obviously has real feelings.

So, I say good for you for picking up your things and leaving. For making a choice and for NOT being pressured into things, especially if it was going to ruin the romance of being together that you were trying to work towards. If that's how he acted now, then you did the right thing.

At least you know how he feels . But cam does distort your view of life meet strip in 5 min real is not like this .

You were sitting there naked with the guy and his stiffy and you WEREN'T ready for sex? How the hell did you get yoruself into that situation?
Honestly though, I think the decent thing to do would have been to at least give him a hand job.

I *hope* she was reffering to her jacket when she said she grabbed her clothes and left.
If a woman ends up naked in a guy's bed doing everything that means "foreplay" then she can't really blame the guy. Women have no problem if they get horny and stop, while men do.
Not trying to take his side, because the way he made that proposal was quite rude, but still.. lol
Not sure if i'm entitled to comment on this very much, when i like a guy and end up in bed with him i will definitely have sex no matter if it's the 1st or 10th date, it's not like i'm a virgin, and there are condoms out there, since you can't talk that much about trust on the 1st date:P
Funny thing is, my best and longest relationships were with guys i slept with on the 1st date. What can i say, i'm easy, even if i'm picky lol.

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Well i think you did well leaving, even if you liked the guy, and it doesn't mean you're not open minded.
Maybe whatever things you were doing till that point mislead him to believe you actually wanted to have sex, not just to play around.
Either way his request was indeed kinda shocking lol, selfish and rude.
Maybe you didn't make it very clear from the beginning that you are not planning to go all the way? Sometimes when men get too horny their neurons don't function anymore lol.
If you really like him talk things over. If you are sure all he wanted from you was sex and nothing more, move on.

for a better answer to your question please explain what "taking on my clothes" means.

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Hey ladies and gentlemen is so natural for you people to trow the stone, isn't it? And so what if she was in bed half naked with? Now you are going to tell me that is his prerogative to be a total ass**le? People just use your common sense? As for you, you reacted great, i'm proud of you girl! (k)

69 is not like having sex with a girl

Yes, but I won't talk about it in open forum.

yes. she needs beauty, intelligence and wit, to be reliable and honest and to show commitment, attention and love. Not asking for much i think.

I've fallen for a Host or two, but I'd say this in response to BobHopes post...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What's beautiful to one person is not so pretty to another. And ultimately, no matter how hot or studly or gorgeous you think you are, we ALL get older and grayer and wrinkled with time, so I'd like to think that deep down inside we all look for a truer INNER beauty to steal our hearts.

As for intelligence, it's the same thing. Some people might be more intelligent, but they could be emotional "cold fish." Some people might be less intelligent, but they have a real warmth or witty personality that always makes you want to be with them. For me what's important is that two people can sit and talk to each other...that the relationship isn't based purely on sex ...and that you actually enjoy just spending time with each other and talking about anything that comes to mind.

Which leaves us to BobHopes point of being "reliable, honest, and showing commitment and attention to love" which is what it REALLY comes down to. I don't care if I met a girl at work versus online...in a bar versus a chat room...or I met her accidentally through a web site versus friends fixing me up on a blind date. The bottom line is those 4 things are what you want to find in ANY partner in life, and they are the 4 qualities you need to have in any successful relationship. Because if you're BOTH not working at it and if you're BOTH not being honest, reliable, and showing attention to your love, then what's the point?

I agree with most of what you had said here ECG but altho beauty fades anf inner beauty doesn't, the bottom line is i'll never fall in love with a woman i don't find visually attractive, but sure i don't care if other people think she is beautiful or not, it's my personal interpertation of what is beautiful and intelligent

yes..

Not really something you can sum up into a list of requirement. Everybody is different. Its the certain special thing that are original about us that make us who we are and attrected to others.

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why did you start off with tellmemore about it? is that the one you have fallen in love with?

Yes, and it is the same things here as in real life that made it happen. Lots of talking and getting to know someone, mutual attraction, and just wanting to be together.

yes. More than once, for different periods of time.

haha they seem to get shorter as time goes by. I think i have not faller for anyone lately though. :) Proof people learn, slowly and painfully, but finally learn.

years? thousands of dollars and can't seem to make a life with you is frustrating? should be more than that by now....lol

sounds like a mistress (the "woman on the side "type not the dominating type)

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Yeah I agree with 2togoxxx, when the money is taken out of the equation you get thrust into reality real quick. Only problems I ever had with a host was after the money flow slowed. If your brain is getting fucked then I suggest moving on.

Counselor, take the advice that everyone is giving you. They're all telling you the same thing, and they're all correct.

If you've spent THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of dollars on this girl...right down to giving her a monthly allowance...and if you DON'T see this relationship moving forward the way that YOU want, then cut off her money COMPLETELY and you'll learn instantly (for better or for worse) just how much she really cares about you.

I know it's tough. Trust me, I've been there. So have a lot of guys around here. And I know you must really care for her -- after all, you laid it on the line and you put your money where your heart is to prove it. But here's the cold, hard truth: Do you really want to be out even MORE thousands of dollars only to learn THEN that this was going nowhere?

You said it's frustrating because when she can make the time, then she'll fuck your brains out. But come on, snap out of it -- that's her JOB to come online and perform that way. And from the sounds of things, if she's playing the old game that she can only "make time" here and there for you, that alone should tell you something. Not to mention it should serve as a warning bell about what she's REALLY doing in her private life when she's not working online. In other words, as much as this might hurt for you to realize, she's off seeing her real boyfriend or dating other guys -- but clearly you're NOT the person she keeps most in her mind or in her heart.

So cut her off and learn the truth. She'll yell, scream, cry, pout, stamp her feet, get angry, say things to you, all because she's suddenly seeing a major source of income drying up. But if any guy has spent years (as you said) courting a girl and also spent "thousands upon thousands of dollars" on her as well (as you also said) and things are still not progressing...she still won't commit to making a life with you...then you seriously need a bucket of ice water thrown in your face to get a reality check on this whole relationship.

Or think of it this way: If she WASN'T a cam girl...and if you had NOT met her online...in other words, if she were a flesh and blood woman you could touch and date on the weekends in-between both of your jobs...would you accept this kind of treatment or behavior from her? Or would you call it quits and walk away realizing it's all going nowhere? Ask yourself THAT and you'll already be coming around to reality.

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If i understood women id help you what can i say :)))

Just get on with life it dont help to think about it . Pleenty fish in the sea dont fish in this sea ))

This is not a sea, its a pay-per-view fish tank, lol

i remember you told me,i think you need to move to other girl.

You have a point to make?

it is time to move on and stop the flow of money in that direction.

i d try to stop her or him but if its not possible i give up because its clearly that she or he found someone else -wich is more then obvious-if you hurt her once why she didnt leave you then why now???because it was revenge untill she found someone new she stayed and took you for a fool so?i d let it go and forget it

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When a person hurts another, the 1st thing they say to make the other stay is "I promise i will never hurt you again". Some say it without meaning it, some don't even believe themselves when they say it, others really mean it... and all, but all do it again sooner or later. It's been tested.
If i would hurt someone in such a way that they would get up and leave, never to come back again then i must have done something really bad, in which case i myself prefer everything to end before i would get the chance to hurt my partner again, which, inevitably, i would do. It works the other way around, if i am the one getting hurt so badly then i would end the relationship right there and then, no matter how much i would love someone.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt (in both situations, aka a guy leaving me/me leaving a guy).
If you really feel like you wanna try and make her stay, good luck:)

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Stop her, but if she wont stop, let her go.

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nothing good.$$$ is growing,but prices on food and everything is growing on 30% too.will be a big bank defoult soon.

As long as the world's economies as a whole continue to suffer, the US$$ will continue to be the safest and most 'in demand' currency in the world. This isn't just a US crisis. Look at the European bank failures and bailouts in recent days. You think people will be running to the Euro so fast? I doubt it.

hahaha!!! I hear ya...My stocks/funds are getting smoked up here in Canada too :((

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I've been able to get it up for years. Thank You Viagra :P

The main thing that I know about the US Dollar and the stock market right now is that it will change tomorrow.. Which way I can guess with a flip of a coin (If I have any left) and be as accurate in my prediction

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So with stock prices down, isn't now the best time to buy? Buy low-sell high

no, silly. now is the time to panic.

yesss. like sheep the masses panic in times like these, it's the cool head with a smarts that will prevail in the end.

but who found it and what they will buy with your lost dollar

I dont see a roblem i see opportunity

yeah...opportunity and greed is what go everyone in this mess !!

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better to save money in ruble in russia.dollar can crash in 1 second.

And the ruble is that rock steady bastion of capitalism that I look for when I choose to invest.

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REAL REAL REAL )))

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My guess would be if everything were going great in the real world CC would be a lonely place. Clearly people come here because they find something better than the real world. Sure there is some guilt involved but then what good things don't involve a little guilt?

I wish my virtual becomes real :)))

There is no real World. It is a myth perpetuated by Government.

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I wish I had you....

in virtual i'm 25, handsome, rich and oh yeah did i mention my 10 inches.....lol

I feel good in both worlds because they are different worlds of different friends

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lol!!!

yes

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do you talk to your friends every day & if you miss talking to them one day,does that mean they are no longer your friend? :--)

odd, two members are the only ones answering question to hosts....lol

lol, maybe thier reading skills need some work

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agree

There is something to that, perhaps

For someone who thinks nothing of the little lies, it would follow that the guilt from a larger lie would be somewhat suppressed. That is not to say a white lie is bad, per se, only that a lie without conscience is bad.

Sometimes it is necessary to hold onto the truth because it is not always welcome.Not everyone is equipped to handle the truth all the time.

Thoughtful question, thanks.

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i tend to think that everyone lies.

agree

I disagree, some people I lie to, others I always tell the truth. of course this staement could be a lie also lol

agree

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spoken like an expert :--)

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ii think it was george costanza who said(not verbatim)"if you believe it,it's not really a lie.." :--)

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I am not talking about CC. I am talking about normal life! I have discovered that one girl I know tells alot of lies, and now I question how many lies she says to me! I think if you routinely make lies you will lie to anyone for any reason. The problem with lies is that you must remember who you told lies or you will be caught!

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When a Host meets a guest for a first time, I have no problems with a white lie. I consider that a professional courtesy to START from. And I think guests can understand and appreciate how a host needs to protect her identity and location to begin with, for her own personal safety or private reasons.

The small white lies only become a problem when a Host becomes extra close with a guest (or tells him that she feels an extra strong attraction) and romance enters the equation. When that happens and she STILL continues the white lies...when she won't tell the truth like a real woman in love should, and she holds back all sorts of information about herself...THAT'S when problems (and eventual heart break) are sure to follow.

i never lie...Told my wife i was researching offshore drilling when i am actually here at CC. i guess this is a form of "offshore drilling" so not a lie

chances are senator that ur lying about ur accomplishments at cc too.

Just remember, he's not visiting CC and he won't be raising taxes either...

I think casual and white lies and totally different than big lies. A casual lie is one thats made out of purpose, either for protection or security or when taking ones fellings into account. (not to the extent of lying about an affair cuz it would hurt the other person) :p thats a big lie.

Anyway, a big lie is total and intentional deception for one own benifit. So no I disagree. I think a bigger lie carries more guilt than a casual lie.

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now akina that is a lie

I have no idea... but after looking at her pics... I miss her too! Some luck guy married her... I would not be surprised...

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yes. what u need to know?

Hello,
I am located in Jacksonville, Florida. I am a host here so you can send me CC mail if you have any questions.
Charles

I've been to Jacksonvile Fl (not the same thing I know) I quite liked it, though I was only passing and it was a long time ago. Has it changed much I wonder? Hmmm

TNTWTACAKAW

Rive Gauche (by YSL) on a girl does the business for me:-)

when a girl wears "oldspice" it just drives me crazy lol :)

"Envy me" by Gucci ;"Hypnose" by Lancome:Bulgari "Rose essential" and"Bulgari for Woman:

my favourite is VERSACE"women"

i use paco rabanne ultraviolet and armani code..i been told ange ou demon is nice on a woman..but i never been close enough to a woman to know :(

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looks like we finally have smth in common :D

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High Karate for men and Tidy Bowl Toilet water for women

Damn baby...still asking that question. I told you CK...anything CK...clean yet enticing..and honey...you are so hot you dont need a perfume...trust me...but wear one just in case you have that persistent gas problem again.....kisses

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Opium by Yves St. Laurent

What does it matter online? We can't smell you.

It would really depend on the price difference between open and 121. If is not very much then the chances are I would have been in 121 anyway. If it was around 50% more I may consider it if I found the girl really attractive but if it was 100% more then I would probably not go. These figures are just guidelines as obviously the two prices have to be considered along with the % difference.

sure...I mean in "open" I wouldn't ask to strip - would change to 121 when we get to that point. I do need myself an imagination of privacy and... tenderness(?) If the price seems to high for my "investment" - I don't invest.... :-)

I always prefer to do the show in open chat. If the host insists, then I suggest she open a private session w/password. I dont feel I should have to pay up to twice so she can have privacy. I didnt ask for it, I shouldnt have to pay for it.

i d never want u as my viwer baby thats too much hassle to please u lol

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sorry but i dont understand the logique of your post

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ok i got it sorry i m a bit late in thinking properly today lol

You're funny. You're in Instant Action. The topic of one2one shouldn't even come up. Unless of course I bring it up, which I wouldn't. No need, you're in Instant Action.

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what is all this????
Its up to the lady and what she charges and it is her business - you cant generalise in such things -if you like her and the price is ok whats the problem!!! dont go if you dont wnat just dont make a fuss

not just no but, hell NO

for me money its not a problem,121 or not 121,its not matter,im coming on cc to relax,not to count money,if i want to get pleasure with a girl i will come 121.

It would depend on the cost. If the difference was too great I would pass on the video. There are still several very hot hosts who strip in open video at a reasonable price. And more arrive every day. It still amazes me that hosts will sit all not with no videos because they only do 121 while they could be making money doing it in open.

I go to 121. But I always consider it a favor or special treament if I get treated to one in open.

I would not go to 121, she should provide the same show in open as in pvt. Now if I wanted privacy, I would go to 121 not at her request.

sure i will go 121 for full show,but at first she need to show me underwear in open:)